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Do you want a Ferrari or a Ford?(29 posts)

Do you want a Ferrari or a Ford?MXL02
Aug 1, 2002 4:24 AM
I've been thinking about some of the recent posts concerning Colnago and Trek, and I believe this duel is similar to the Ferrari/Ford duels of the late 60's on the road racing circuit, eg. LeMans.

Those of you who are old enough, remember back in '66 when Henry Ford II tried to buy Ferrari. Enzo played cat and mouse up until the last the minute, then walked away from the deal, showing HFII who was boss. Ford was infuriated, and hired his Hi perfomance guru, Carroll Shelby, to come up with a winning car so he could beat Enzo at his own game. The result was the the Ford GT, which went on to own the sports car circuit for several years.

It was not mechanically sophisticated. No fuel injection or overhead cams...just a big block V-8 and two giant 4 barrel carbs, and lots of Horsepower.

I think this comparison is similar to the Trek vs. Colnago battle going on now in the TdF. It's been a slow week on the board...let's talk it up...would you rather have a Ford (Trek) or a Ferrari (Colnago)?
It's not an apt comparison,TJeanloz
Aug 1, 2002 5:07 AM
If Ford built a production car that rivaled Ferrari, I would consider it. But they don't. If I was a race car driver, I would want whichever was faster, and if they were equally fast, I would be indifferent. Ford's current top of the line sports car is what, a Mustang? That's not in the same ballpark as a Ferrari.

But if you're talking Aston Martin, owned by Ford, vs. Ferrari, I think I take the Aston Martin. And if you talk Fiat, parent of Ferrari, vs. Ford; I think I take Ford.

What you're comparison does is it puts a C-40 up against a Trek hybrid and asks you to compare. When you put apples to apples, I'm indifferent at the top of the line.
Think Saleen vs 360 Modena nmMXL02
Aug 1, 2002 5:30 AM
Here ya go......EricBH
Aug 1, 2002 5:47 AM
This is supposed to see production. Comparable to a Ferrari - don't know. Cool - yes.

http://www.ford.com/en/ourVehicles/autoShows/detroit2002/vehicles/ford/fordGT40Concept/default.htm
I wouldn't trade my Maserati for it...TJeanloz
Aug 1, 2002 6:02 AM
While that's a fine automobile, and certainly worthy of comparison, I wouldn't trade my poor-man's Ferrari for it.

What this argument boils down to is whether performance or styling is the most important aspect for you, and what your tastes are. For me, in a bicycle, performance is everything because I can push the limits of the design. In a car, style is everything, because I can't push the performance limits, and to the point that I can push them, all fast cars are pretty much equal. But if I were driving on a track, or racing, instead of cruising down Newbury street looking at pretty girls, I would probably take the Ford in place of the Maserati.
My Maserati does 185lnin0
Aug 1, 2002 6:11 AM
too bad I lost my license...because now I can't drive
I don't think mine does...TJeanloz
Aug 1, 2002 6:19 AM
I think, though I have no practical experience, that the top speed of mine (~175mph) precludes me from living like Joe Walsh.
That's what I'm talking 'bout! nmMSA
Aug 1, 2002 6:12 AM
Gimme that V-8 GT 40 any day..w/ a rack for the Trek ...nmLeroy
Aug 1, 2002 7:20 AM
better comparison if you supply the motor nmDougSloan
Aug 1, 2002 6:06 AM
C40?JimP
Aug 1, 2002 7:24 AM
I certainly wouldn't try to compare a C40 to a Trek 5900. The C40 design is very old - glued tubes versus OLCV. That is like comparing comparing the pushrod Ford (C40) to the Ferrrari Modena (Trek 5900).
Ahh, not sure on the handling side of thingsLone Gunman
Aug 1, 2002 8:06 AM
But had an opp to drive the new Tbird. Wow. Pure powerful and fast and a nicely retro styled interior. Strickly from the performance side mind you, forget all the stylistic panache stuff. Damn nice.
Give me the Ferrari.Quack
Aug 1, 2002 5:14 AM
Yeah. It might not be one bit quicker or more comfortable than the Ford, but it sure is sexy. I own a 99 Trek Carbon and I liken it more to a Camaro because everyone's got one. It may be one advanced machine and the best buy for the money but it is also a cookie-cutter bike for the masses. I've actually had the pleasure of driving a Ferrari 308 about 10 years ago and I will tell you this, it's one cool looking and sounding car but don't ever look at the speedometer or you will be extremely disappointed. As far as a new bike goes, I believe the next steed in the stable will be neither Trek nor Colnago. Right now, it's the Pinarello Prince.
Give me the Ferrari.MSA
Aug 1, 2002 6:14 AM
That's my take on it, exactly.
'68 GT40 or 69 Mustang GT 500 for suredaneil
Aug 1, 2002 6:27 AM
I think you're all missing the point here. This is not today's Ford vs. today's Ferrari. This is the GT40. The original. The Perfect car for the late 60's LeMans course. Enzo didn't have a chance with Carroll on the Ford team. That man made some amazing cars (for Ford anyway, don't even look at his Plymoth creations.) So Ford/Trek all the way. I've always loved the burly hometown hero that bests the exotic.
Ford hunts Ferrari again:The new40(you got me all amped up now!)128
Aug 1, 2002 7:16 AM
My favorite.128
Aug 1, 2002 7:41 AM
"comes in any color you want. So long as it's white"
The So. Cal edition came w/surfboard racks standard on the roll-bar...
One more, to complete the Shelby legacy:128
Aug 1, 2002 7:50 AM
I found my passion/appreciation for automobiles easily transferable to road bikes, in style, speed, mechanics, fun etc (and somewhat more affordable!) It's a wonder those NASCAR/Evil pickup-truck aggressors don't realize we share the same passion (true in my case at least)...just a different form. "Stringback gloves, in my automolove"
ah ah ah you forgot the best one...daneil
Aug 1, 2002 9:18 AM
A friend of mine had one. Absolutely undriveable. Way too much horsepower in such a small lightweight car. May I present the 1968 Mustang Shelby GT500 King of the Road.
(I admit that I have a thing for Mustangs, My first and only car is a cherry Red 1964 1/2 coupe, one of the only things that my fiancee is jealous of, that and my bike!)
My favorite. GT350R...Dave Hickey
Aug 1, 2002 10:37 AM
All go. Love those wheels. nm128
Aug 1, 2002 11:24 AM
Ohhh, I have to pick a European car?My machinen from over the pond128
Aug 1, 2002 12:12 PM
The sweetest thighs in automotive history....
Give me the Shelby Mustang....keep the Trek [nm]bent_spoke
Aug 1, 2002 6:51 AM
If you're writing the check, give me the Trek5900fracisco
Aug 1, 2002 7:36 AM
I'll take the Trek 5900 in a Project One paint scheme of my choice, and throw some Ksyriums on there instead of the Bontrager wheels.

I see Colnagos everywhere.
Make it the Gulf Oil light blue/orange paint scheme n/mfracisco
Aug 1, 2002 10:01 AM
What I remember about the GT-40...Me Dot Org
Aug 1, 2002 9:05 AM
...was it was the first car with rectangular headlights. I think Lamborghini introduced the 350 GT around the same time, though...someone call me on this if you can remember an earlier car with rectangular headlights.

But for its time, it was functional and beautiful. I hope Ford does the retro street version, it would be cool to see it again.

BTW, it was called the GT-40 because it was 40 inches tall.
What I remember about the GT-40...koala
Aug 1, 2002 9:37 AM
Phil Hil took one from the back of the grid to the front at LeMans only to have it break...Great old race car.
Neither!! McLaren F1 Nuff Said!!Bike-Go-Far
Aug 1, 2002 11:41 AM
The F1 can represent Serotta or Seven Cycles.
185 MPH seems pretty slow to me.....IAmtnbikr
Aug 1, 2002 3:31 PM
here is what I raced for some time before quitting in '98. Much more fun than Ferrari or a Ford. Won the Midwest Funny Car Association championship in 1997 with it. Our 3-year-old takes up the weekend time now, along with biking. I still miss smokey burnouts though!