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Durability of Merckx Team SC (and Scandium in general)(9 posts)

Durability of Merckx Team SC (and Scandium in general)j-son
Jul 30, 2002 1:28 PM
I'm planning on replacing my aged steel Serotta this winter/spring with a new frame. I would like something European and 'cool'. I'm particularly smitten with the Merckx Team SC. But, I have reservations about the Scandium frame and 2year warranty.

I tend to buy right the first time and ride a frame for a long time (my Serotta was purchased new in '95). So, this frame will be with me for a while.

Any feedback on this frame and scandium in general would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
It's self serving, but try this link:morrison
Jul 30, 2002 1:50 PM
http://www.eastonbike.com/tubesets_top.html

I've heard the Team SC is fantastic, but I've never ridden it.
Biggest problem with all thin wall aluminum frames is denting.elviento
Jul 30, 2002 2:04 PM
Scandium frames are just aluminum frames with some scandium as an ingredient. That's all. We should all call cro-moly steel frames "moly frames" from now on.
Yes. The scandium is added to increase the strength of . . .morrison
Jul 30, 2002 2:10 PM
the aluminum. And from what I understand, there still is an issue with denting, folding, etc. But, I hear it's a great ride.
Great rideTig
Jul 30, 2002 2:26 PM
The 2 guys I ride with that have had their Team SC's for almost 6 months now have commented that the ride is better than CADD 4's and 5's they've owned. I've heard good reviews from others as well.

The 2 year warranty says quite a bit to me though. $1800 of our hard earned money is too much for a frame/fork that may not be there in 3 years. Otherwise, it is among the nicest frames available. I love Merckx's geometry in any material.
Denting? My EV2 never dented but it did break in half (nm)sidley
Jul 30, 2002 2:31 PM
My LBS's manager cracked 2 EV2's in 6 monthsTig
Jul 30, 2002 4:06 PM
They both cracked on the right chain stay's inner section about 1.25 inches from the bottom bracket. He takes really good care of his bikes and noticed both problems during cleanings. These 61 cm frames were not yet old enough to be susceptible to normal aluminum stress cycle fatigue. EV2's don't use scandium alloy.

I still see healthy Cannondale 2.8 and Criterium frames (thicker walled tubes than recent CADD frames) on the road, so I think cracking has more to do with tube wall thickness, alloys used, manufacturing processes, and welding temperatures.
Scandium is not less durableKerry
Jul 30, 2002 4:51 PM
How a frame holds up is all about design, not about the material. If two frames are competently designed with the same goals in mind, you would find minimal differences in riding them. Scandium is a minor alloying element in Al that makes it a little bit stiffer so the tubes can be a little bit thinner before they dent too easily. What has happened is that Sc/Al has been used to design low-durability and superlight frames, so people think it is less durable, but that is because it is too light, not because of the alloy.
Try Casati Challenge Scandiumol
Jul 30, 2002 8:11 PM
I raced & trained on the Casati for 18 months & never had any problems with it. It was a beautiful riding bike, very stiff but not harsh & it had a beautiful classic paint job. The only problem that I forsee is in an event that something does go wrong, doing a warranty claim with the Italians is a nightmare. On a passing note, I am quite a small and light rider therefore a Scandium was perfect but I have friends who have brocken those type of frames & they are much taller. If you are heavy and tall and planning to keep a bike for 7 years I would only go for American made ti, I would stay away from Scandium.