|The Douglas Stealth is . . . a cool bike. I finally took it||bill|
Jul 30, 2002 7:54 AM
|out this morning for a bit of a test (Saturday's test turned disastrous when I dropped my wedding ring -- that's all my wife would need to hear, "you lost what on your stupid bike!?" I'd need an apartment, not a new bike; found it though, and was able to go home). |
It's remarkably (unremarkably?) unsexy, but it's okay. As I said below, it's a good workhorse. Stiff as a board but tracks surprisingly well, and it is arguably better-mannered than my Litespeed Natchez. Built it up with an amalgam of new, used, and spare parts (okay, mostly new -- just don't tell my bride). Record drivetrain, Douglas seatpost (they sell it special to go into the 26 something or other seattube -- it's not a standard 27.2), 3TTT 199 bars, fizik pave saddle, and it weighs, well, I don't have an accurate scale, but under 18 lbs, anyway.
The tubes are not exactly elegantly shaped, but they're tapered all over the place (thickened at the BB and head tube). Chain stays are ovalized. VERY stiff through the bottom bracket. Responsive as hell. It seems to like to go fast; no point in ambling around on it.
I would not choose it for a century (I'll keep the Pegoretti for anything over 50 for sure), but on a 30 miler, mostly on a rough bike path, it was surprisingly comfortable, in no small measure, no doubt, due to the Ouzo Pro fork.
A good get for $700. Now I just have to learn how to race it.
|there's gotta be more to that wedding ring story||ColnagoFE|
Jul 30, 2002 8:18 AM
|what were you doing holding it and not wearing it? sounds mighty suspicious to me.... (no offense--just kiddin ya!)|
|The truth is not very interesting. The ring was bought for my||bill|
Jul 30, 2002 8:33 AM
|right hand, which is a little bigger than my left, but I started using it as a wedding band anyway because it's just a darn cool ring. Add sweat slickness to the smaller circumference of the left ring finger, and I've caught it slipping off on rides. So, I've started removing it. I had forgotten to remove it pre-ride and was removing it intra-ride, like the dumbass that I am, and it bounded off the path. I didn't panic, but I was, shall we say, focussed. |
Killed about 25 minutes in the pleasant, earnest company of a gentleman who had stopped to help until I found the ring and he continued on his recumbent.
|Reminds me of a true story . . .||morrison|
Jul 30, 2002 8:57 AM
|I had a guy I hired to help me out on a big project. He'd been working for me for several months when, one day, his wife came into the office to meet him for lunch. I was eating lunch in the conference room and she sat down with me because her husband wasn't back from court. We talked for a while, and then she said to me "I guess the boss doesn't have to use the shredder."
I had no idea what she meant. She pointed to my wedding ring and said, "You don't use the shredder."
"What are you talking about?" I asked.
She replied that her husband told her that I wouldn't let him wear his ring because it might get caught in the shredder.
I didn't have the heart to tell her that we didn't even have a shredder. But I think she figured that one out on her own. THe next day the poor rube came to work with his ring on. True story.
|I've Got A Story...||Gregory Taylor|
Jul 30, 2002 9:17 AM
|..about losing wedding rings. My brother-in-law is a large animal vet with a thriving farm practice. He was on a farm call with a sick cow -- cows can have some pretty wicked digestive problems with all of those muliple stomachs. Anyway, the primary way to examine a cow with a digestive problem is to....um....sorta wear it like a puppet, if you get my drift. A proctological exam -- up to your shoulder in blocked-up bovine. Normally, you wear gloves for this, but my brother-in-law was having trouble getting a grip on whatever ailed this particular cow, so he peeled off the gloves and had at it. After a successful cow-crapper-clearing, he washed up and walked back to the truck, and was driving home when -- SHAZAM!-- he noticed that his wedding ring was missing. Guess where it was missing? Yup. Inside of ol' Bossie. Knowing that my sister would KILL him if he lost his wedding band, regardless of the reason, he drove back to the farm and located the cow. She hadn't moved too far....but she had moved her newly-loosened bowels. Amply and frequently. So my brother-in-law spent the next 45 minutes or so sifting through fresh cow pies looking for his ring. He did find it, thus preserving domestic tranquility for another day...|
|You win. Hands down (or up?) nm||morrison|
Jul 30, 2002 9:27 AM
|out of curiosity...||ET|
Jul 30, 2002 10:51 AM
|how does the Pegoretti compare to the Douglass on shorter distances and up hills? I mean, the Pegoretti, with its EOM 16.5 and all, is very light and is supposed to be high-performance in its own right (not to mention the romance :-)). Or is it because you just don't want to chance the Pegoretti in races? My decision to one day purchase a 16.5 is resting on your answer.|
|The scandium alloy Stealth seems to be stiffer.||bill|
Jul 30, 2002 11:34 AM
|I don't have enough miles on the Stealth for a real good qualitative comparison, but I would say that the Stealth has a more positive feel and is more of a straight-ahead, no-nonsense race bike. It has good enough handling manners to maneuver, but it's mostly about transmitting energy to the pedals, also making it a good climber. The Pegoretti is still plenty stiff, but I would say that it smoothes out the road noise and is more solid than stiff, if that makes sense. The Peg seems to me to be absolutely stiff laterally while forgiving vertically, so that, even though pounding on the bike gives you a good response, it doesn't have the same positive feel of the more vertically stiff alloy bike. The Pegoretti probably is also a more refined handler, where smaller adjustments are possible. |
The tubes actually are pretty similar in diameter all around the bike, although the Peg uses straight cylindrical tubes everywhere but the chain stays, which are ovalized right near the BB. The STA on the Peg is 74 (as close as I can figure). The STA on the Stealth is like 73.5, although the chainstays are the same 40.5 cm.
How much of these feel differences result from the forks, from the position on the bike, from the tubing shapes and geometry, or from material is hard for me to say. The material is probably the smallest part of the equation, frankly. I would have to believe that different EOM 16.5 bikes of different designs will be more different than bikes of different materials designed to feel similar. I don't think that you are safe in generalizing. Pegoretti also makes the Great Googelee Moogelee, which uses larger diameter tubes of the same 16.5 material, so that you know that the GGM is going to be stiffer.
The Peg is under 19 lbs. The Stealth (what a dopey name!) is under 18.
I would race the Pegoretti in a road race, but probably not a crit. I believe that the Stealth would be well-suited to any racing, especially crits, but the bottom line is that I would rather crunch up the Douglas. It's not a bike to get sentimental over.
|Stealth is a dopey name but not Great Googelee Moogelee? :-)||ET|
Jul 30, 2002 11:46 AM
|Thanks for your reply; helpful. Since you give weights, I was wondering what sizes and top tubes are your bikes? And out of curiosity, what's your height and CC inseam? Thanks.|| |