|How many times have you crashed this year?||velocity|
Jul 26, 2002 7:56 AM
|As I mentioned yesterday, I had a nasty crash Wednesday morning on the way to work. It was my second of the year. Luckily no one else was hurt and no broken bones either but this time I'm hurting pretty badly and can't ride for a few days -- which sucks!
When I ride bikes with fat tires I've rarely crashed and when I have it was because I was riding off-road taking risks. On road bikes, in pacelines or even alone over rough, slippery roads, there's always a risk of going down even when you're riding safely and defensively.
Any tips on how to minimize the risk of crashing? How many times have other RBR.com denizens crashed this year? What are your stories?
|Does getting hit by a car count?||onespeed|
Jul 26, 2002 8:00 AM
|None on the road yet. Often on the MTB||Aztec|
Jul 26, 2002 8:10 AM
|I've only got 2 road rides under my belt since I just bought a bike last weekend. I crash at least once every 3-4 rides on the MTB. But, that's usually cause I'm pushing the envelope and riding aggressive.
I'm scared of road rash so I'm still pretty cautious on the streets.
Jul 26, 2002 8:12 AM
|I seem to crash all the time on the MTB in the dirt, but then like you say I'm pushing it and taking chances. I know how to fall, roll and usually jump right back on the bike. I've come to the conclussion that a similar thing exists on the road bike. If I start having crashes or even close-calls then it means I'm riding too agressively for the situation and taking chances. This doesn't mean you need to ride being afraid of your own shadow - far from it. What it means is that you need to ride defensively and think ahead - something that escapes a lot of people, especially in a pack. Look ahead, think about the "what if" and give yourself an "out" for when the "impossible" happens. To be sure you won't see or anticipate everything that can and will happen, but it's the difference between having a car door opened on you (virtually avoidable) and getting hit by a deer (virtually unavoidable). It's kinda funny, but the same riders seem to crash over and over again until they either can't ride or slowly get the message. I'm excluding racing from this discussion b/c you're purposely pushing things to the limit with other riders in close proximity and mistakes get made.|
Jul 26, 2002 8:25 AM
|If those gosh darn deer didn't like you so much maybe you wouldn't crash on those trails so often. Must be your pheremones or sumpthin'. Be thankful it wernt a mountain lion. I saw a report the other night talking about the increase in mountain lions in California and they just might take a hankerin to yer rough ol' hide as well. |
(Next time, you might want to consider taking a shower before you ride sos you don't attract them wild critters :))
Jul 26, 2002 8:59 AM
|The dang deer got me on the road bike!! Actually gave her a piggy back ride until we bounced off the guardrail and went down in the street. We did spook a deer on the MTBs one night and the poor thing launch itself into an 8' high deer fence - twice - and got bounced back like a vertical trampoline. We were laughing so hard we had tears in our eyes. I've actually had a full grown mountain lion leap across the trail right in front of me while riding. One of the most stunning things I've seen. Bobcats are a dime a dozen as are rattle snakes. Tarantulas are kinda cool. I've seen bears in Tahoe. But the thing that really spooks me are the wild boar - they're fast, mean, and greasier than me. You don't want to get between moma and her babies.|
|Out to get me||akatdog|
Jul 26, 2002 10:07 AM
|Cars aren't always avoidable especially when they pass you on the left slam on the brakes and the passenger opens the door right across the bike lane. I still have a dent in my leg but I made sure I took the car's window frame with me as I flew through the air. I had a graceful landing (probably a 9.94) on the back of a Toyota Camry. Then got up retrieved my wheel reassembled my bike and proceeded to the next intersection where in my state of shock I discovered I hadn't tightened the quick release enough and wrecked again as I torqued the rear wheel from the frame. What a day. Moral of the story always check your mirrors before opening you door.|
Jul 26, 2002 8:29 AM
|Riding up the Henry Hudson Park about 2 weeks ago at about 18 mph when a dog (on it's leash) runs across the 9' wide shared walkway right in front of my bike. No time to slow down and the dog way way too big to hop over (big ol' golden) I go over the bars and land right side of head and shoulder first. Nice 3.5" circle of road rash complete with glass and good old NYC tar on my shoulder a ringing in my ears and a hole in my jersey are the result. Not to mention that the next day my every muscle in my body was sore. Still have a bit of pain in the right hand, nothing serious.
Only two things get to me about this. The first is that the woman wasn't even going to stop to see if I was ok. It took a bit of yelling for her to stick around. The second is why does a dog need to be on that big of a leash? Especially on a shared walkway, and most importantly in NYC? If this had happened on the road I could have been killed seeing as how I couldn't get up for a min. from getting the wind knocked out of me. A dog doesn't need 9 feet to walk around.
Just goes to show that not even a seperate bike path can keep you safe ;) We really need those three lane bike only paths that AllisonHayes is talking about in the post below!
Jul 27, 2002 5:00 AM
|Seems to be the problem with recreational paths, in general. In fact, here the speed limit is 15mph for most of those types of paths. I don't think it matters if it's a dog, a child or a teenager (we have quite a few young inline skaters who tend to swerve unexpectedly), recreational paths are dangerous for serious road riding.
Just my 2 cents.
|last real crash 1995||DaveG|
Jul 26, 2002 8:40 AM
|I've read that the average (I assume on the road) rate of crashes is once every 4500 miles. I guess I am way overdue. Not a good feeling. Good luck on your rapid recovery|
|re: How many times have you crashed this year?||mackgoo|
Jul 26, 2002 8:46 AM
|I haven't crashed in many years. I do have close calls with cars all the time. Defensive driving habits picked up riding motorcycles helped me there.
1. When coming to an intersection and there is a car there that could pull out in fron of you, it will, be prepared for it.
2. If there is a car riding at your side, they can not see you and will do some thing to threaten your well being, be prepared for it.
|one bad one||lonefrontranger|
Jul 26, 2002 8:57 AM
|On Sunday I crashed in a crit, broken right collarbone.
grzy is right on about pushing the limits racing. I rarely crash while training, even on my MTB. But it seems like about once every 18 months to 2 years I wad it up really good in a road race, although I tend to dodge quite a few more crashes than I actually go down in. This one was entirely my own fault, too - I basically overcooked a corner and panic-braked like a dumbass. All I can say is thank heaven I didn't take anyone else out with me.
I had one silly small crash on the 'cross bike (front wheel washout) early this spring, but those don't count, right?
Sunday's crash was a doozy. There were 2 135-150 degree corners back-to-back in the crit. The 2nd one was where most everyone crashed, and that's where I bit it too. There were 2 wicked wrecks in my field (Women 1/2/3) alone, and BipedZed says the Cat III guys crashed something like 4 times in the first lap or two. Even the Pro/1/2 guys had a couple of humongous yardsales in that "death" corner.
I can even picture in my head what my crash must have looked like. If you've ever seen superbike (motorbike) racing footage where the guy starts to slide out, yanks the bike back upright, then "highsides" (launches and tumbles the other way), that was me. As I went over, I hit the curb and did a piledriver into the concrete with my right shoulder. Snap! went the collarbone, and my helmet broke into 3 pieces. I tumbled / rolled / rag-dollied a good way, but there's no way to really diffuse the shock of a piledriver like that.
To add insult to injury, I have a huge "hip-pointer". It looks like I have an extra buttcheek on top of my buttcheek, if you know what I mean. Nasty!
The best news of the day is that my bike was unscathed. I didn't even scrape my pretty Record levers :)
|Glad to hear your OK||PaulCL|
Jul 26, 2002 9:07 AM
|I read one of your posts yesterday and laughed my head off. Your self-description of your hairstyle as the "angry-lesbian" look really made me howl.
I was afraid to ask, but I am so relieved to read that your pretty Record levers came out of the accident unscathed. What a relief !! Seriusly, I've always wondered how durable they (mine) would be in a real crash.
Heal soon. Take care.
Paul....still cranking down rte 8 in N'thn KY at least once a week.....
Jul 26, 2002 9:26 AM
|Actually the biggest thing I was worried about was how my Zipp 303s would survive going into a curb at 25mph. They came through unscathed. Amazing wheels those are. My boyfriend scraped his Record levers a bit when some numbnuts knocked his bike over at a group ride, and I put some clear nail polish over the scrape, then buffed it a bit with the cotton disc on my Dremel tool (shop wrenches' little helper). Voila'! Can't even tell it was ever damaged.
Re: the haircut - it's practical, comfortable and cheap ($10 at a local barbershop). I'm long past the age where looks and/or the accompanying social baggage matters. My boyfriend hates me in short hair, but we've come to an agreement on that one. He'd rather have me ugly and happy than pretty and bi... well, you know.
Do you do the Monday night Rt 8 Cincy Cycle Club ride? I used to go out with those guys all the time. By the way, if you're ever up by Ault Park on a Wednesday night when they're racing, you should say "hi" to the officials from me (Beth Jordan). I can absolutely guarantee someone will roll their eyes and say "oh, yeah, we remember her!"
Jul 26, 2002 9:57 AM
|Don't know about any Monday CCC ride. Besides, with a wife and three children, I don't ever get to ride in the evening. Most of my rides are at dawn.
I'll look up Beth at next years' Ault Park races. I might even race in a few of them. I told myself I would do a few more races once my kids were older. Of course, I might have to buy another bike - I wouldn't want to risk scratching my beloved Colnago with Record components. Paul
|The LoneFrontRanger Rides Again!||AllisonHayes|
Jul 26, 2002 9:20 AM
|i (this is a cross-post from the non-cycling forum - it seemed appropriate to this topic; (adapted from the Lone Ranger http://members.tripod.com/~ClaytonMoore/) |
Return with us now to the thrilling days of yesteryear. (Well, not that long ago.)
"The Lone Front Ranger! "Hi Yo Yo Attack!"
A fiery bike with the speed of light, a cloud of dust and a hearty "Hi Yo Yo--Oh No - Crunch!" Oh no, a broken collarbone. They carted her away!
When asked, she said that her usual crash avoidance capability failed her this time. As she has described it before, it is "a weird phenomenon I call the Fourth Dimension, which is a radical time-expansion I experience when things go pear-shaped. When I enter the Fourth Dimension, I go all calm and analytical and it seems like I have decades to figure out where to go to avoid the combatants. At these times I recall entire conversations I've held with myself as I figure out: "OK, curb left, hole right, good line to the inside... BUNNY HOP that rear wheel coming toward you... water bottle on the ground not an issue... gee that person's sliding a long way, sucks to be you... still holding the handlebars, not on the ground, clear sailing ahead... ATTACK!!...
The LoneFrontRanger's plaintiff cry can still be heard echoing across the Flatirons, "Hi Yo Yo Attack." For the mountains and the prairies know, "she is every bit as smart, tough, and savvy as her posts," according to BipedZed.
With her faithful SO companion Pronto, the daring and resourceful rider of the Boulder high-plains, led the fight for cyclists rights in this part of the west.
But she will return to those thrilling days of yesteryear. The LoneFrontRanger will ride again!
The LoneFrontRanger Creed!
In being prepared physically, mentally, and morally to fight when necessary for that which is right.
That a woman should make the most of what equipment he has.
To adher to the "elements" of cycling: talent; skill; attitude; fitness; experience; and, savvy.
That sooner or later...somewhere...somehow...we must settle with the world and make payment for what we have taken.
That all things change but truth, and that truth alone, lives on forever. In my Creator, my country, my fellow man."
|Get well soon Beth! Sorry to hear about your crash. (nm)||js5280|
Jul 26, 2002 3:34 PM
|Look ahead, slow down for problems, pick your routes.||dzrider|
Jul 26, 2002 9:04 AM
|Asserting my rights to maintain my speed, make lefts, and be treated like a car was an important part of my riding. I also crashed a few times a year. I haven't, thank you Lord, in years. None of those crashes were "my fault", but many could have been avoided.
I could have slowed down for the Irish Setter I t-boned on the park road or the turn at the base of a hill where I hit loose dirt and went over the wide side. I could have decided that the car coming off the highway exit might not stop and given myself time to get behind it when it pulled out in front of me rather than trying to get the most speed possible to blow over the little up hill that was coming, but I didn't and I crashed. Other examples available on request.
Now I look ahead, if anything appears likely to cause me problems I start slowing and look for places to escape. I pick routes that don't involve difficult lefts, highway entrances and exits, and roads that end at the base of a hill. I'm giving up some options that are within my rights, but at 53 staying upright seems more important.
|Hit by a car in June. It sucked. (nm)||Gregory Taylor|
Jul 26, 2002 9:06 AM
|Oh, and I wrecked in a race...as reported on Cyclingnews||Gregory Taylor|
Jul 26, 2002 12:52 PM
|road = 0 dirt = 5 (nm)||gregg|
Jul 26, 2002 9:06 AM
|None so far......||look271|
Jul 26, 2002 9:51 AM
|Unless you count falling over because I couldn't unclip in time! =0 Having said that, I'm bound to crash next ride.....|
|Once, chain skipped on a sprint, hit the ground at 25mph...||Brit|
Jul 26, 2002 10:29 AM
Jul 26, 2002 10:35 AM
|Last weekend in a road race, it was my first crash on a road bike...ever.
About half way to go in the race the pace picked up and the leaders were going full out coming out of the corners. I was in what looked like the begining of a split in the field just coming up to full speed sprint past the corner when my Look PP296 broke, my foot came out and I went down so quickly there was not much I could have done about it. Hard to really know for sure, but I was probally assisted by someone who was drafting off me and ran into me when I suddenly slowed from coming out of my pedal, but it was not his fault since that is what you are supposed to do in a race. I was still holding onto my bike when I went down, which was good since my bike took most of the impact. The handle bar and pedal were ground down into the metal 2-3mm. Missing some skin on my arm and leg, and bruised my hip, but I can still ride. The guy behind me got about the same amount of road rash as me. The guy behind him was launched over the top of us and across the road into the ditch. All of us were ok enough to ride our bikes back to aid station, although my front brake was toasted so I had to do so slowly.
Not much I could have done differently, it just happened too fast. I blame the whole thing on my pedal. It looked like the pedal had been cracked for some time as I could see discoloration in the crack on the nose. In hind site, I guess I should have inspected my bike better and may have noticed the crack before the race and could have prevented the whole thing.
|CAUTION: Do not respond "Zero" - you will be jinxed! nm||DougSloan|
Jul 26, 2002 10:36 AM
|Roadbike 1976, motorcycle 1984, MTB 3 weeks ago.||Juanmoretime|
Jul 26, 2002 10:43 AM
|3 weeks tomorrow in a mountain bike accident. My knee is still killing me and I'm supposed to stay one more week off my bike. I couldn't stand it any longer and went out and rode twentyfive last night. My knee hurts today but it's a good kind of hurt, do you know what I mean?|
Jul 26, 2002 10:53 AM
|I crash at least once a year on the road bike. Last year was a 25 mph dump because of a somewhat camouflaged pothole; this year it was loose sand I didn't see. Also had a close call in a parking lot where sprinklers had overshot the grass and slicked the asphalt.
I think I need glasses.
Jul 26, 2002 11:17 AM
|I ran into sverving Tom at 2 mph, tugging on the tongue of my Sidis. Fell over, no damage. God, I hope that counts!!|
|2 Road and 1 near death mtb crash||Pack Meat|
Jul 26, 2002 11:16 AM
|I crashed in damnation alley at the Boulder/Roubaix race doing about 10 mph, I pretty much fell over.
Then after the CO state Crit championships, a race loaded with people going down and touching wheels and clipping pedals and a lot of near misses, I went down while cooling down. I was riding along on what appeared to be perfect freshly paved road talking to a teammate when my front wheel hit this 12 inch diameter, 5 inch deep hole. It was a water valve that wasn't brought up to grade after the recent resurfacing. I went straight down on my ass. I emailed the city and they were actually very resposive and fixed the hole.
The mtb crash was in Fruita. I tried to make it over a 11 inch high rock on the Lion trail and didn't make it. I fell over smashing my shin on a rock and ended up overlooking a 75 foot drop. I love colorado!
|good one in Fruita!||lonefrontranger|
Jul 26, 2002 11:45 AM
|I have had a few near misses on what we call "DFU" singletrack myself. The kind that leave you looking out over sheer drops of many hundred feet with maybe one slime-laden root between you and oblivion are the ones where the pucker factor is so strong that it feels like your sphincter has tried to crawl up into your shoulderblades.
Your post-race crash at Longmont reminds me of the one my SO did coming home from a ride a few weeks back. He'd done something like a 65-miler, mostly with the Bike Nazis. He was about 1/4 mile from home, mostly downhill. He gets up to stretch his legs, sits back down and WHAM - the bolt on his 15-year-old Record seatpost cradle let go. He also went straight down on his ass, same as when you loop out of a wheelie. The saddle was destroyed, the bike (and his butt for the most part) was fine, fortunately, since it was his Dream Reflex we're talking about. The bike gods surely must have been smiling on him that day; I can only imagine the angst had he broken the seatpost bolt out on the far side of Carter Lake. I've done a seatless MTB ride from the back of beyond and that's no fun at all.
I think he actually came out the winner on the deal, since I bought him a new Record carbon post and Flite saddle...
|Just once. Very minor. (nm)||djg|
Jul 26, 2002 11:19 AM
|2 small ones||Spirito|
Jul 26, 2002 11:41 AM
|small crash # 1 - small turn leading to a bridge crossing - no shoulder and too much speed into turn, wet weather meant that brakes were none too effective, washed wide before i could scrubb off enough speed, stopped mostly sideon into gaurd rail at low speed. stayed upright - clinging. fair drop on other side but no damage and rode on with group. only realised how sore i was when i got home.
small crash # 2 - racing mate up a short climb in too big a gear (53 x 17 i think). got to the crest and decided to wait (gloatingly) for mate (also rest as my legs were cooked) and had so little energy in my legs that at 2mph i didnt have the muscle left to clip out. went over with the bike quite softly but right in front of mate howling with laughter. 12 years of clipless pedals and i finally fell.
i never go super fast near traffic, never go fast on roads i dont know, always check my bike before and during the first few miles, am almost religious about inspecting tires (usually post ride).
consider myself a pretty good bike handler and love turning hard but even i admit to taking no risks when its wet or when with others in a group. its when your not alert and/or sensing danger that you are likely to go down.
am kinda lucky that riding in NYC i can easily keep up with traffic and usually take up most of the lane (lots of opening doors from parked cars and pedestrians). do my best to adhere to red lights when almost all other cyclists pass them (even in front of cops). 30 blocks of red lights means at least 20 sprints - but then i am australian ;-).
|I was hexxxxxxxed by Shimano||pinarello|
Jul 26, 2002 1:10 PM
|Friend and I were going up a small hill when his bike kicks out from under him. I fliped over him as he went down. He hit a large Master lock. We were right in front of the Shimano USA headquarters. We both ride Campy equiped bikes. Catapult|
|Zero ...||Humma Hah|
Jul 26, 2002 1:16 PM
|In the past 3 years of heavy riding, I've been doored once, been tossed on the ground about 6 times by broken drivetrain hardware (one chain, about 5x by a defective Shimano coasterbrake). The drivetrain incidents were all at low speed, just starting out.
Most of my miles are on a Schwinn cruiser, possibly the most stable bike ever designed, capable of being ridden for miles no-hands.
I have yet to have a bad get-off on a roadbike, but I always feel like it may happen any second.
|Did I say zero ... I take that back ... jinx, go AWAY!||Humma Hah|
Jul 26, 2002 1:17 PM
|Man that was close. Now just go and ride over there, away....||Gregory Taylor|
Jul 26, 2002 1:20 PM
|....from the rest of us. Can't be too careful, after you went and tempted fate like that.|
|Dirt = 3, Road = 0 (3 close calls with idiot drivers though)nm||MVN|
Jul 26, 2002 4:21 PM
|re: Stacked in a Menzanita Bush||jrm|
Jul 26, 2002 6:02 PM
|@ Skeggs. That hurt like shlt and left a bruise. Went over the bars on the CX bike @ Annadel. That hurt but not as much as the Skeggs wreck.|
|2 so far||weiwentg|
Jul 26, 2002 9:46 PM
|one at the beginning of the collegiate season. some maniac cut in from across the yellow line. someone at the front goes down. the whole front half of the pack goes down. I was in that front half. some road rash and bruises, and a broken spoke. plus I felt totally s--tty in the next day's crit. I give thanks to the heavens that I didn't break any bones.
5 races later, I break my collarbone. the story got posted on the general forum ~10 weeks ago.
I'm taking up cyclocross. against my better judgement, I'm also getting a mountain bike (influence of my friend). I'm sure I and the dirt will get very well acquainted.
|re: How many times have you crashed this year?||steveh|
Jul 27, 2002 7:07 AM
|My one and only crash in over 20 years of riding was this year and almost did me in. I live in Germany and this Feb. was bored do I hopped on my mtn bike for a little ride in the woods to burns some energy. I was just about out of the woods and bombed down a forest road and got into some rocks and went over the handlebars still attatched to the bike. The last thing I remember was my chin hitting. When I woke up I was paralyzed from the neck down for over and hour. I layed there and thought this is it I die out in the woods.
My feet start tingling and was able to move them then my arms did the same thing. I was able to slide down the hill on my a## several hunderd yards to a more used trail I started yelling and some elder German men heard me and called an ambulance. It came to be I had broken my neck at the C5 level and damaged my spinal cord. They put a Titanium(expensive neck!) plate fusing 3 vertabraes in my neck. While in my gallbladder burst and I was ate up with gangrene. After over a month in the hospital I went to 6 weeks of torturous therapy to regain use of my right hand and right leg deficits. After therapy ended I got back on my road bike on the trainer and built myself back up. After 3 1/2 months I rode on the road again. I am now up to riding almost as good as before the accident and lan on racing next month. Going uphill is defintely easier I lost 15lbs of mostly upperbody mass(Lance). I see posts on here about how come I can't go faster downhill. Just remember you can get a lot more then road rash if you crash, even with a $100 helmet on! I am much more aware of everything now. What I also learned is if riding alone file a rte plan and carry a cell phone. My wife had no idea where I was till the cops came with my bike sticking out of the trunk. Its good to be alive and mobile. Never take it for granted.
|re: How many times have you crashed this year?||Bike Bum|
Jul 28, 2002 9:32 AM
|Whew, Steve that's quite the story, Glad you're almost back to up to snuff.
I'm fairly new to the road, I took it up to ride a muti-day day ride last january to celibrate my 50th. Probably just a Newbie mistake but at the end of along mileage day training for that Muli-day ride, I cut though an alley and had a speed bump that bended into the roadscape, jar the handlebars right outta my hands. I've ridden MTB since '87 and I've taken a few crashes as excepted, and have ridden the Kamakize at Mammoth Mtn here in Calif without crashing, But collecting road rash from a speed bump felt pretty foolish......
|re: How many times have you crashed this year?||jcheyney|
Jul 28, 2002 5:47 PM
|I ran the RAGBRAI last week. Just outside of a town called Ayrshire, IA the ride was run onto about two miles of graded dirt road. I let myself get on the inside of a left hand turn into some soft dirt. I saved it once but lost it agian and went over th bike off the right side. Luckily neither I nor the bike were hurt badly and I got up and finished the ride. I did have some sore shoulders but a massage worked it out without issues.|| |