|Who here thinks golfers are athletes?||Fez|
Jul 25, 2002 7:38 AM
|After reading that MSNBC article by ROn Borges about Lance Armstrong not being a great athlete, I realized Borges was a complete idiot. I couldn't disagree more about every stupid thing he said. However, he did stop short of adding Tiger Woods to the mix of people he thought were great athletes, and he said golf was not a sport.
So according to his defintion of an athlete, would you say golfers are not athletes? Golfers do have some skill and a little mental toughness to be good at their game. A little strength can help at times, but aerobic conditioning doesn't matter. A lot of "pro" golfers will continue on when they are aging and getting hopelessly out of shape. And John Daly continued to play when he was drunk, out of shape, and packing on the pounds. How many cyclists, tennis players, or NBA players could do that?
|Hey, Golfers are atheletes too...arm wrestlers & porn actors. nm||eschelon|
Jul 25, 2002 7:44 AM
|Aw, porn stars aren't acting. (nm)||Crankist|
Jul 25, 2002 7:48 AM
|I beg to differ...||eschelon|
Jul 25, 2002 8:04 AM
|Do you really think those "hot" chicks really would choose some of those guys as their first choice for screwing?|
|2 words for you... RON JEREMY||Fez|
Jul 25, 2002 8:11 AM
|Porn actors are atheletes...just the other day||eschelon|
Jul 25, 2002 8:17 AM
|I saw this one cheesy porn where this asian chick was kickin' everyone's ass with her kung fu and then did them.
This thing was so cheesy, I was looking around the house for some crackers.
|Porn actors are atheletes...just the other day||Juanmoretime|
Jul 25, 2002 8:41 AM
|I don't believe you, can you send me the tape or DVD?|
|No tape or DVD...DIVX for the PC...||eschelon|
Jul 25, 2002 8:54 AM
|My bro downloaded it and I got it from him. This chick even gives kung fu lessons to Ninja dudes in this thing and does them too.
If you have microsoft media player...you can view this thing on your computer.
|I want to see this one too.||No_sprint|
Jul 25, 2002 8:59 AM
|Where can I get it?|
|Buncha friggin' perverts...hey, my kind of people!||eschelon|
Jul 25, 2002 9:17 AM
|Anyway, if you really really want to see it...email me and I will arrange a copy to get to you.
No obscene and nasty requests will be fulfilled. I don't do that crap...standard t and a is good enough for me...this vide doesn't have strange kinky crap...so sorry to disappoint you freaks out there.
Buncha friggin perverts! All-a-ya!
|Any activity in which beer may improve results = no sport||Gator|
Jul 25, 2002 9:11 AM
|Frank Shorter drank Schlitz in marathons nm||DougSloan|
Jul 25, 2002 9:16 AM
|Maybe he just had a drinking problem||Gator|
Jul 25, 2002 9:24 AM
|hey you can get beer and wine at PBP||cyclopathic|
Jul 25, 2002 12:01 PM
|they serve it at check points. Of cause you can argue that cycling 750mi in 44hr isn't really a sport.|
|MSNBC article http://msnbc.com/news/785267.asp||ColnagoFE|
Jul 25, 2002 7:49 AM
|What makes Jordan any more of an athlete than Armstrong? Borges never defines it. You could argue that all Jordan does is run back and forth on a court and once in a while throw a ball through a hoop. Bet that loser has never ridden a bike more than a mile before. Pump your legs up and down? Sure he makes it sound easy.|
|here's what the Supreme Court says||DougSloan|
Jul 25, 2002 7:53 AM
Apparently, walking can be too much for a golfer. "As we have discussed, the purpose of the walking rule is to subject players to fatigue, which in turn may influence the outcome of tournaments."
|General Rule of Thumb:||Me Dot Org|
Jul 25, 2002 8:02 AM
|If you can smoke a cigarette while actively playing your sport, you're not an athelete (Yes, I know those old TDF smoker pictures).
Bridge, Chess, Checkers, Billiards, Golf...
Give Tiger Woods credit. He has taken the model of a golfer up a level. A lot more PGA players are lifting weights these days...
|so golfers are more buff these days||Fez|
Jul 25, 2002 8:10 AM
|they're still not athletes.
they just look a little better in their slacks while playing the game.
and we can wonder if it is their strength or their titanium drivers giving them the greater distance in their shot.
Jul 25, 2002 1:11 PM
|Well by your logic we could say the same thing about cycists...
Was is armstrong's strength or $3000 custom Lightweight wheels that won him the mountains?
His endurance or special project TT bike, etc...
Jul 25, 2002 8:04 AM
|The only golfers who are athletes are athletes who play golf. Football players, for instance. Lance Armstrong supposedly plays.
I love how the pros don't even carry their own bags, then talk about how hard it is walking around the course. Yeah, okay, but tell that to a marathon runner. Or even a 10K runner. How far do they really walk on the average course?
Golf might be fun and entertaining, but nothing in golf is athletic.
Jul 25, 2002 8:18 AM
|How far do they really walk? Well, many courses are 7200 yards, then you add back and forth, paths to next holes, walking around the green... You could quadruple that number for 18 holes. That's 15 miles if you do. Then you add the amount of times you swing the club, you could easily swing it 500 to 700 times if you take 4 practice strokes for each counted stroke and shoot over 100. If you swing as hard as I do (can punch them out there 300+ if I really get it), it requires a great deal of athleticism, hand eye coordination. Play 36 holes in a day and I'm really wiped out being what I consider a highly trained athlete.
By the way, I play competitive golf. Golfers being truly hardened athletes? Not all. If you play, you know the level of athleticism required to walk and carry your own bag for 36 holes a day, especially on a really hilly course. If you don't play, and put it down without knowing what you're talking about, well you risk putting yourself in the esteemed company of the idiot Ron Borges.
|i hear you, but||Fez|
Jul 25, 2002 8:28 AM
|the most athletic part of the game of golf really has little to do with the game itself. the part that wipes out golfers, competitive ones or not, is the walking and carrying of bags.
if i walked several miles every day with books and laptop to commute, would that make me a commuter athlete?
would bowling be a sport if the bowlers had to move their bags, balls, and pins to another lane after each frame?
Jul 25, 2002 8:24 AM
|I believe that golfers can be athletes, but not all are. Like, are all "cyclist" atheletes? The professor that rides his retro to classes every day, is he considered an athlete?
I didn't think too much of golf until I took it up. It's a different disipline, more mental that physical. I think Tiger Woods has proven that being athletic improves your game. Note that the field as a whole is losing weight and getting fitter (weight training, etc.). They HAVE to in order to stay competitive.
To really get a feel for the game, try walking the course (3-4 miles) carrying your clubs (about 30lbs)on a warm summer day and retain the composure to hit a 2 in ball with a stick to get it in a 4in. hole anywhere from 100 to over 500 yards away. By the way, people might be watching and waiting. (Oh, and counting.)
I used to fence in school. Lots and lots of physical training for what amounted to be very little real activity on the mat. It was all about concentration, precision and execution. The physical training was the foundation.
OK, I'm done. my .02
|re: Who here thinks golfers are athletes?||maximum15|
Jul 25, 2002 8:26 AM
|golf, billiards, chess, etc = skill
golf, billiards = skill but atheletic abilities can provide an edge.
|Skillmasters, not athletes.||Iseemo|
Jul 25, 2002 8:29 AM
|Since golf is a skill not a sport, I'd say they're skillmasters. But, I wouldn't go so far as to say no golfer is an athlete. Some most definitely are fit and are likely fine athletes (at something other than golf!) |
If you can smoke a cigar and do it.....it ain't a sport.
|Bowlers, Archers and Ice Dance performers.||Juanmoretime|
Jul 25, 2002 8:36 AM
|They may require some skill, but athletic ability is questionable.|
|Forgot participants in Skeet, trap and sporting clays! nm||Juanmoretime|
Jul 25, 2002 8:38 AM
|Bowlers, Archers and Ice Dance performers.||No_sprint|
Jul 25, 2002 8:45 AM
|Hmmm.... What about winter Olympic biathletes? The better your cardio conditioning, the better your potential, just like golf. What about curlers? Olympic atheletes are considered just that?|
|ice dancing/figure skaters are definitely athletes...||Fez|
Jul 25, 2002 9:27 AM
|that is big time skill and athleticism. its a little effeminate, costumes and all, but they are definitely athletes.|
|ice dancing/figure skaters are definitely athletes...||Juanmoretime|
Jul 25, 2002 10:03 AM
|I'm not saying there not ahletes, but a sport? Please add Slam dancing to the next summer Olympics.|
|How many of those who replied actually play golf?||tz|
Jul 25, 2002 8:35 AM
|Read No_sprint's message.|
|PGA Hall of Famer Billy Casper:||Me Dot Org|
Jul 25, 2002 8:45 AM
|Notice the fine articulation of muscle and sinew...can't you see this man floating up the Alp d'Huez...|
Jul 25, 2002 8:51 AM
|What does Eddy Merckx look like these days?
|Casper winning the Masters in 1970||Me Dot Org|
Jul 25, 2002 9:09 AM
|Notice the finely articulated...aw, to hell with it...|
|Eddy Merckx lost almost 40 pounds this year. Try again.||Tig|
Jul 25, 2002 6:00 PM
|Eddy had been taking care of himself and now rides more than he has in a while. He is looking and feeling much better.|
|Point made out of context||No_sprint|
Jul 25, 2002 8:58 AM
|Billy is not there because of his play during the period when this was taken.
You can equate that to a pic of Theisman taken in a few years, or perhaps Lawrence Taylor in 20 years if he makes it, maybe Lasorda these days.
|Point made out of context||elrey|
Jul 25, 2002 9:03 AM
|Cycling just hasn't been as inovative as golf and realized that cycling is a sport that can be done well into the twilight years. Maybe cycling should try a senior tour?|
|from dictionary||Len J|
Jul 25, 2002 8:54 AM
|ath·lete Pronunciation Key (thlt)
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.
sport Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sprt)
Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
A particular form of this activity.
An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
An active pastime; recreation.
Mockery; jest: He made sport of his own looks.
An object of mockery, jest, or play: treated our interests as sport.
A joking mood or attitude: She made the remark in sport.
One known for the manner of one's acceptance of rules, especially of a game, or of a difficult situation: a poor sport.
Informal. One who accepts rules or difficult situations well.
Informal. A pleasant companion: was a real sport during the trip.
A person who lives a jolly, extravagant life.
A gambler at sporting events.
Biology. An organism that shows a marked change from the normal type or parent stock, typically as a result of mutation.
Maine. See summercater. See Regional Note at summercater.
Obsolete. Amorous dalliance; lovemaking
Based on the above, golf is a sport and golfers are athletes. One may argue with the endurance component but having played golf for many years, the mental endurance required to compete over 4+ hours is more than you would expect.
Jul 25, 2002 9:14 AM
|You literalists crack me up! |
Gosh, I could have sworn I saw something about a cigar in that definition.
|Using this definition||Mel Erickson|
Jul 25, 2002 8:55 AM
I would say golf is a sport.
|Using this definition would shuffleboard and horseshoe||Fez|
Jul 25, 2002 9:24 AM
|throwing fit the definition as well?
If pool and bowling were held outside, it would fit as well.
|Using this definition would shuffleboard and horseshoe||Mel Erickson|
Jul 25, 2002 10:56 AM
|Nope, I don't think the use of major muscle groups is enough in shuffleboard and horseshoes. Bowling qualifies, indoors or out. Definitely not pool. Why is everyone so hung up about what constitutes a "sport"? Why do we have to defend cycling to the detriment of other "sports"? Aren't we doing the same thing the columnist is doing?|
|Using this definition||Brooks|
Jul 25, 2002 2:18 PM
|Golf doesn't use major muscle groups (quads, hams, calves, biceps), mostly triceps and deltoids. That said, I think golf is a sport but not all golfers are athletes. A lot of baseball pitchers aren't athletes either. There are certain skills involved though.|
|Jocks v. Athletes||jaybird|
Jul 25, 2002 9:05 AM
|I think that author is confusing the terms Jocks and Athletes. Bary bonds, MJ, Rice etc are jocks. Why do they need s much rest between games? perhaps the NBA championships, the super bowl and the world series should be 21 days long and at 12k feet|
|Yeah, sure. Why not.||elviento|
Jul 25, 2002 10:07 AM
|Shaq is grossly out of shape and he is MVP. Imagine a Shaq with 40lbs less fat.|
|Yeah, sure. Why not.||Walter|
Jul 25, 2002 10:49 AM
|I think Shaq has about 16% body fat. Obviously he won't ride the TdF but that's hardly "grossly" out of shape esp. when you consider that he's over 7ft tall and in excess of 300lbs.
Have you ever played basketball, even a pickup game of hoops at the park? You'd have a hard time telling me there's no need for conditioning or that there's no athletic ability required to play well.
How come every time a sport is mentioned so many yo-yos feel the need to proclaim "_____________ isn't a sport?" I've enjoyed cycling for over 25 years now and have never felt any need to be defensive when athletes from other sports are talked about. Sometimes I get the impression if you aren't riding or running over tremendous distances there's some out here who want to say "you're not really an athlete!" Do you stick your tongue out and say "nah nah" at the same time.
I doubt LA or Jalabert or the rest of the peloton feel insecure about their status as athletes, why do you guys?
|I think Tiger Woods thinks he is||Fez|
Jul 25, 2002 12:57 PM
|I read a quote from his father a few years back saying that he thought Tiger was the greatest athlete ever (this was back in 1996, not 2002). Earl Woods said ever since Tiger was a kid, he excelled in sports. The reporter asked Earl what TIger would be doing if he wasn't in golf. Earl replied, "Kicking Michael Johnson's ass in track."
Micheal Johnson, just fresh from winning like 4 gold medals in the 96 Olympics was asked about Earl's comment, and he basically said Tiger was a great golfer, but not a great athlete, because golf wasn't a sport.
Hey, I don't really care what Micheal Johnson thinks about the game of golf, but I think Tiger and his Dad are a bunch of phonies (who happen to have lucked out and hit the $jackpot$)
|Golf keeps jerks from crowding all the really good sports! -nm||Tig|
Jul 25, 2002 5:50 PM