|The new Merlin Ceilo bikes; What do you think?||Ron L|
Jul 17, 2002 2:58 PM
|Not sure if the Merlin Ceilo bikes has hit the streets. Any comments about it or the XLCompact?|
|The Ceilo is unbelievably||Lazywriter|
Jul 17, 2002 3:12 PM
|beautiful, but I still wouldn't buy a ti/carbon combo frame. They are ridiculously expensive and for that price I would want something indestrictible.
The comparable Seven Ottrot has a 200 lb weight limit which in my opinion is indicative of some inherent weakness or limitation in the design. It is really a work of art, but I would rather have a solid welded ti frame or all carbon. I really don't see the benefit of the combo other than for marketing hype.
Jul 17, 2002 3:36 PM
|After seeing the pix of the Ceilo prototype, I'm wondering if a ti-on-ti lugged bike wouldn't look nice, particularly with polished lug work and brushed pipes.
But, I bet it would still be outrageously expensive, particularly given the work involved to weld and file the frame.
Jul 17, 2002 5:16 PM
|But how would you make the lugs? As I understand steel frames, the lugs are usually investment cast. You probably can't do that with ti. But if you could . . . it would make a great project for a home frame builder (hey Nessism!) since you could take as long as you needed with the finish work.|
|Somebody posted a picture not too long ago||sn69|
Jul 17, 2002 5:21 PM
|The unnamed Cielo was ti on ti with the same lugs that the current model has. It looked great. Just a thought...no more purpose than aesthetics, but--damn it looked nice.
I'm a carbon fan too, but the two ti's looked great.
Unfortunately, I can't remember if it was from Cyclesport. The picture was from Sea Otter Classic.
|Lazy, you're wrong about the Ottrott......||Len J|
Jul 17, 2002 6:43 PM
|it does not have a 200lb weight limit (according to Serrotta). I think you are thinking of the Seven Odonata Ti/Carbon mix which does have a 200lb limit.
|Yes, my bad I meant the odonata,||Lazywriter|
Jul 17, 2002 7:01 PM
|but the seem very similar and I wonder if the Serotta has similar limitations. They are gorgeous looking bikes, but for that coin I would want something indestructable and carbon always concerns me especially when bonded to different material.|
|Yes, my bad I meant the odonata,||legs|
Jul 18, 2002 8:25 AM
|hey lazywriter.. i was just extending your logic and wondering how you think your drop-outs are attached to the end of your carbon forks?
aren't they bonded?
oddly enough i do agree with you... i like welds...much more than glue.. and I think carbon frames (and carbon bonded to whatever) are great if you can replace them every year or two...(and only if you can)...
but the arguement about the durability of bonding doesnt just stop at the frame....and must include what seems like the success of carbon forks with bonded drop outs (regarding durability) and steerers...
|The Ottrott I rode was a great ride at my 195 lbs||ColnagoFE|
Jul 18, 2002 6:23 AM
|I'd never pay that kind of $ for it, but it was a nice ride. Pretty stiff though in a 60cm so lighter riders might not like it as much. Worked for me though. It was great over chip and seal.|
|Functional? Who knows... Art? YES! -nm||Tig|
Jul 17, 2002 4:12 PM
|They have one hanging at a bike shop near me...||JL|
Jul 17, 2002 5:17 PM
|I like the way it looks, but unless I come up with a lot of disposable income, I won't be buying anytime soon. So yes, they have hit the streets.
I haven't seen the XL Compact.
|re: The new Merlin Ceilo bikes; What do you think?||xxll|
Jul 17, 2002 5:30 PM
|re: The new Merlin Ceilo bikes; What do you think?||legs|
Jul 17, 2002 6:01 PM
|the xl compact is my main bike..
and i love it..
low center of gravity
quick but stable
and really insanely fun...
more a racing bike than a cruiser...
(these words come to mind)
there is no shortage of excellent bikes.. i recommend a test ride or two so that you come to your own conclusions..
|Merlin XLC comments||ol|
Jul 17, 2002 9:35 PM
|Just got mine XLC last week, and quite confidently say it's the best bike I have ever ridden. As stiff as my previous aluminium scandium rig but much more forgiving and comfortable. The massive chainstays really convey the power to the back wheel in the most fluid and effecient manner, and the hourglass seatstays make you think you have rear suspension, to top this off a beautiful finish. Italian bikes might have a lot of flair in them and they are pretty to look at but they are not as functional as top American bikes. Simply put Americans make the best bikes in the world and I say that even though I am not American.|
Jul 18, 2002 9:25 AM
|I was unimpressed by the Cielo at my LBS. It looked nice from afar, but up close I could clearly see excess glue on every carbon tube near the lugs. For the asking price, I expected a clean finish.|| |