|Fat Burners||Mr Lou|
Jul 16, 2002 9:58 PM
|Just wondering has anyone had any experience with fat burners such as stacker 2 or hydroxycut. I know there are some serious overdose side effects, but I was actually wondering mainly about the benefits. Do they actually burn any fat? Also I tried hydroxycut today, and rode great (in fact better than normal).|
Jul 16, 2002 10:14 PM
|What? You were expecting a magic pill?
Exercise, sensible eating works.
There's lots of anecdotal evidence that says they work, but then that's why science uses placebos.
Supplements are about marketing and separating you from your money. Snake oil!
|maybe if you were obese||ColnagoFE|
Jul 17, 2002 6:09 AM
|I tried hydroxycut for about 3 months this spring. i worked up the dose to 3 pills 3x a day. after a bit i could go to sleep after taking them as i got used to the side effects. i didn't change my diet and i incresed cardio and weights. i lost about the same amount (3-4 lbs) as i would have just doing the weights and cardio alone. side effects are that when you first start taking it you are extremely wired...like drinking 10 cups of coffee thoough that goes away. they are a pretty strong diuretic so you have to drink water all the time and as a result you have to pee all the time. i've read that these work for obese people to lose weight, but in my unscientific study they didn't do anything for me other than waste some $. I suppose bodybuilders like em before competitions because they keep the water weight off and make you appear more "cut" but water weight loss is not what anyone is really after. Probably not very good for your health either so make sure you have no heart related problems if you're gonna take 'em and defintely don't go over the recommended doses.|
|re: Fat Burners||tommyrod74|
Jul 17, 2002 6:30 AM
|This thread reminds me of an article I read in Outside magazine, I think... anyway, the gist of it was that these diet pills (that's what they are, whether they call them "fat burners" or "metabolic boosters", they are all basically legal speed) give you an "energized" feeling by causing your blood vessels to constrict. This causes your heart rate to rise. If you combine these bodily conditions with the greatly increased circulation from intense exercise (imagine trying to force more water through a smaller hose), you have the perfect conditions for a stroke, which is what has happened to several otherwise healthy people using this stuff and working out. I personally don't use any pharmaceuticals to aid in riding, as I have never wanted to become mentally dependant on them (what if I can't get some before a ride, will my ride not be "good"?). These pills would appear only to be safe for a sedentary person to lose weight, but since all they do is surpress appetite (as do amphetamines) I don't think it's a safe or healthy option even for that.|
|re: Fat Burners||brider|
Jul 17, 2002 6:34 AM
|The actualy term for these is "thermogenics", rather than "fat burners". What they do is increase the metabolic rate slightly (which you'll feel as an increase in body temperature) by central nervous system stimulation. That is also why you had a "better" ride -- you were keyed up. The effects on endurance from caffiene use is well documented. Ephidrine has similar effects in small doses, but the negative effects come on quickly (and can vary from person to person). Do they work? Yes, as long as you modify the behavior that got you there in the first place.|| |