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thoughts on yesterday's ITT problems (late spoiler?)(15 posts)

thoughts on yesterday's ITT problems (late spoiler?)JS Haiku Shop
Jul 16, 2002 5:01 AM
sorry if this is a re-hash, i didn't see it anyplace with a cursory review of the board.

I was just thinking about jaja's flat/wheel change problems during the ITT. it appears he was initially on the rebadged cervelo, then was given the look tt bike after a failed (slow) rear wheel change. when he initially dismounted and tried to remove the rear himself, it looks like he used to typical method to loosen the rear QR and pop the wheel out, in an effort to speed things along. however, the cervelo has *horizontal* dropouts, meaning they'd have to remove the chain from the cassette, then slide the wheel out backwards. looks like the mechanic either missed this too, or was confused/already muddled by what jaja had done. could this be the reason it took so long (and eventually failed) to get the rear wheel changed?

what do you guys think? observation: david millar was wearing a camelbak.

re: thoughts on yesterday's ITT problems (late spoiler?)Len J
Jul 16, 2002 5:10 AM
The cervelo was a new bike for the team received right before the prologue. It's apparent that both the mechanic and JaJa did not take the time to get familiar with it. Shame on them, & they paid for it.

Why are they trying to change a wheel in a TT, Should have just done a bike swap. Meanwhile, they lost a minut on the flat & 4 minutes overall. I don't think the flat was the real problem.

What bike did JaJa change to after his flat?Dave Hickey
Jul 16, 2002 5:13 AM
I don't think it was a LOOK. If you look at the top tube, it was very small diameter round tube. I don't think that was a carbon bike.
Looked like the standard Look TT frame to me.sn69
Jul 16, 2002 5:21 AM
Granted the P3 was Tyler's and not his, but I'm still puzzled at how the mechanic couldn't quickly change the rear wheel. Are the set-screws that tricky to deal with?
Doesn't the P3 have track dropouts??Dave Hickey
Jul 16, 2002 5:26 AM
Aren't track dropouts rear facing?
Yes.Len J
Jul 16, 2002 5:36 AM
I think that was JS's original point, that neither the mechanic nor JaJa knew how to get the wheel off (By removing the chain from the cog).

track endsDougSloan
Jul 16, 2002 6:08 AM
Yes, the track ends aren't nearly as fast to change. You need plenty of chain slack, and then after you pull the axle out the rear, you must "get dirty" and pull the chain from the cassette. If you've practiced, it should only be a few seconds slower than a dropout.

I would have changed bikes.

track endssn69
Jul 16, 2002 6:34 AM
Agreed, plus the newer P3s (and P2Ks) have set screws in the drop outs to better position the rear tire. Still, I'm curious if JaJa didn't remember in the heat of battle or if he didn't realize. Watching the mech on OLN, he looked equally baffled.
you would thinkDougSloan
Jul 16, 2002 6:39 AM
The set screws will get the tire position right, assuming you use the same tire. If you set it for one tire, then install a fatter/taller tire, you could have clearance problems. With the P3, you can get the tire extremely close to the curved downtube.

Nonetheless, at that level, you would think they would have seen it all. It's baffling how they could have any problems.

track endsjp2
Jul 16, 2002 7:02 AM
actually you do not have to "get dirty". if you have the chain in the smallest cog, you slide the wheel back and push the der. toward the wheel and clear the skewer (just past the back edge of the dropout)and the wheel is out "clean". reverse process for installation.(slide chain over smalest cog, move der to slide skewer past and presto, it's in) really quick and easy.
Pic of the P3PhatMatt
Jul 16, 2002 5:56 AM
Jul 16, 2002 6:30 AM
Juat curious, what causes this page to be so wide that I have to scroll left to right to read it?

Annoying as hell!
It is bigger than 600 pixals (not 100% sure) nmPhatMatt
Jul 16, 2002 6:35 AM
Width of image in this thread (nm)simstress
Jul 16, 2002 6:41 AM
get a bigger monitor! nmDougSloan
Jul 16, 2002 6:40 AM