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I apologize in advance for this non-cycling rant(9 posts)

I apologize in advance for this non-cycling rantHBPat
Jul 15, 2002 3:13 PM
Sorry but I am going to rant a little because I am pissed at work today.

Part 1:
No matter how many times I try to improve the way things are done it never changes. We have meeting all the time discussing strategies and ways to improve our company and communication and all that other crap. But the guys (shitty part about working for a privately owned company) will continue to do things the way that's best for them. So I get 150 pages of recycled paper with a report that has highlights and 5 different peoples notes crossed out and rewritten (keep in mind that on the back is the same thing but from last time) and I am supposed to somehow interpret and organize all this info. Then when things get confused and screwed up I have to track down the highlighter or scribble that somebody made and point that out to them. This sucks. I hate working with disorganized people who will never even try to become more organized.

So I took the LSAT and am trying to figure out where to apply to law school but every time I try to ask somebody it seems that the response is unless you get a 175 and had a 4.0 it isn't even worth trying. I had a shitty GPA and there's nothing I can do about it but I thought I had an alright LSAT (164) and every time I ask someone for advice they tell me I had better retake the exam. I am seriously considering just moving to the middle of Montana and becoming a hermit.

Again, sorry for the rant, just need to blow off some steam and my foot hurts from kicking my car.
re: I apologize in advance for this non-cycling rantzray61
Jul 15, 2002 4:21 PM
It is not about improving things around you but rather improving yourselve. No matter where you go there will always be at least one a**hole. Acceptance of reality can be a major help to your day. Also, I had one friend who had not graduated college, was in his early forties and was accepted into law school.
Hope tomorrow is better.
re: I apologize in advance for this non-cycling rantHBPat
Jul 15, 2002 4:35 PM
Thanks, I hope tomorrow is better too. If I can't at least I hope you are having a good day.
Jul 15, 2002 5:08 PM
Same $hit, different day, especially Part 1.

Part 2, who gives a crap what other people say you need. Just apply to where you want to go. You either get in or you don't. You listen to the naysayers, not only won't you get in law school, you'll never go anywhere. I've met a lot of people who I highly doubt have 4.0s and super LSAT scores that are in Law School.

If you're looking for law school inspiration, go rent Legally Blonde. Anything w/ Reese Witherspoon always makes me feel better :-)
Jul 15, 2002 10:10 PM
I know your frustration. Sometimes you just have to set a better example and hope others follow suit. Unfortunately you always have lazy people who would rather delegate the responsibility to someone else, and especially when they're working different positions from you it's almost impossible to change them.

Best of luck with law school. I know a girl who also didn't have tremendous grades or LSAT scores that made it in a couple years ago. What she did have was good work experience. No doubt you're picking up some of that right now? In THEORY, recent work experience and stellar recommendation letters should help overcome grades of the past. Your application could then be further bolstered if you could raise your LSAT scores. In theory - it doesn't work perfectly. It's not that the application process is necessarily that ruthless, it's just overwhelmed with applicants, and there's plenty of randomization. There are people that no doubt have every good quality they want and get passed up for some fairly mediocre applicants. I saw plenty of this when I was applying to medical school. I'm not trying to be arrogant, but the last couple of years I was applying I was WAY ahead of the curve, and yet I was still watching less-qualified people get in ahead of me. Not only were they scoring considerably lower in school and exams and having far less work experience, many of them couldn't even be fairly considered "good" people! It's hard to imagine them having decent letters of recommendation and interviews, both of which I had plenty of. Had they been obviously overwhelmingly altruistic people I could deal with it, but as it stands I've dumped applying to medical school in favor of engineering. I've got plenty of interest in it, and there seems to be nicer people there, too.

There are always options. Best of luck to you whatever you choose to do.
re:Part2... UVA... nmspyderman
Jul 15, 2002 11:22 PM
re: I apologize in advance for this non-cycling rantdjg
Jul 16, 2002 9:53 AM
So: My information may be out-of-date--the LSAT folks are notorious for fiddling with scoring schemes and calibration from year-to-year--but my impression is that you are receiving crap for advice. I'll break it down into 2 parts:

1) At least as of a couple of years ago, there was no US law school with a median LSAT score better than or equal to 175. That suggests that one can gain admission to a law school with a sub 175 LSAT.

2) 164 is a better than average score by a fair margin. While it will not help you at the top tier of law schools, it should actually be a piece of evidence in your favor at most law schools. The question is: where do you want to go? The answer will depend in part on where you can get in, in part on what you can afford, in part on where you want/need to live, and in part on what your ambitions are. I'm not a guidance counselor, and I expect that there are at least several books in your local library that will provide you with more factual information than I can. If you had a "shitty GPA" that will hurt you, there's no doubt about it. But how much it will hurt is a function of many variables. Admission to a "top 10" school may be a hell of a long shot--if not just out-of-the-question--unless you have some special connection or other distinctive selling point. But folks have done well--indeed very well--in the law starting elsewhere. Do some homework. You'll figure it out.

Should you retake the exam? I dunno. If your score was comparable to your score on other standardized tests you've taken in life, maybe not. If you believe that you can do much better, then go do much better. I have a friend who went to law school after a decade as a professional musician. His first pass at the LSAT was significantly worse than yours. His second try was 20 points higher--much better than yours. His prospects improved enormously with the second exam. OTOH: most people do not show nearly that sort of improvement. You pays your money and you takes your chances.
you think that's badDougSloan
Jul 16, 2002 9:59 AM
Most of getting into and through law school begins go prepare you for the frustration of being a lawyer. As much as people like to bash lawyers, they probably have no idea how stressful it is. We deal with the likes of your ordeal every single day. Client with millions of dollars or their freedom at stake. Clients who want $500 service at $1.99 cost. Firms that want 3000 hours a year from you. Spouses who don't understand working 18 hours a day during a trial. Juries that do totally goofy things and surprise you with their verdicts after a two month trial. Get the picture? If you can't handle the application process, you might rethink the career choice.

you think that's badHBPat
Jul 16, 2002 10:40 AM
Not a question of handling it or not. It is just a way to blow off steam. Usually I ride but my bike died, and I am not a very good runner. Anyway, every job is stressful in its own way and I realize that I am competing with tons of other people for even more stress. That doesn't worry me as long as I get to vent every once and a while. And ride as soon as I get my new bike.