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Is Giant poised to dethrone Trek? (spoiler)(16 posts)

Is Giant poised to dethrone Trek? (spoiler)AllisonHayes
Jul 13, 2002 11:07 AM

1. Igor Gonzalez Galdeano (Sp), ONE, 27:39:59.
2. Joseba Beloki (Sp), ONE, at 00:04.
3. Jorg Jaksche (G), ONE, at 00:12.
4. Abraham Olano (Sp), ONE, at 00:22.
5. Isidro Nozal (Sp), ONE, at 00:27.
6. Jose Azevedo (Por), ONE, at 00:28.
7. Marcos Serrano (Sp), ONE, at 00:30.
8. Lance Armstrong (USA), USP, at 00:34.
9. Tyler Hamilton (USA), CST, at 00:53.
10. Andrea Peron (Ita), CST, at 00:53.

Team Once in the top seven. Does this have anything to say about Giant?

Kind of interesting how strong Once is...

How do you pronounce Once anyway? (wonc or own-say?)
re: Is Giant poised to dethrone Trek? (spoiler)komatiite
Jul 13, 2002 11:31 AM
after the LA wreck today, he's gonna have some catching up to do[-38sec].

once is spanish for the # 11 --- on-say.
on-tse honey! Best Tour in years yet!tempeteKerouak
Jul 13, 2002 12:01 PM
Up with the Aussies.

Up with the Posties.

Courageous french guys skim the milk in the wind.

Around a roundabout, the gendarme flags.

Spanish carbon clad, out on a lottery ticket.

Then out of a turn they fall like bowling pins, or is it a wicket...
Wait, the legendary Ventoux takes no prisoners &AllisonHayes
Jul 13, 2002 12:30 PM
even "gifts are poisoned." We will see who the Giant will be after Stage 14. But then, there will be six stages left and whoever leads after this stage needs to leave some fuel in the tank.

Remember 2000?


i On the last Ventoux finish, in 2000, race leader Lance Armstrong offered the victory to breakaway companion Marco Pantani - who had miraculously returned to top form after several months of being depressed from his drugs disqualification at the 1999 Giro d'Italia. The Ventoux finish was the start of an open conflict between the two champions, as the Italian did not accept Armstrong's gratuitous gesture. Pantani swore to avenge himself, and a few days later won alone at the Courchevel finish, then rode himself into the ground in a long solo attack on the Morzine stage before abandoning. Geminiani was right: The Ventoux is not like the other passes. Here, even gifts are poisoned.
True, but...seyboro
Jul 13, 2002 1:27 PM this case, O.N.C.E. stands for Organizacion Nacional de Ciegos Espanoles, the Spanish organiztion for the blind. For their sponsor, Team ONCE ride primarily to promote a lottery. As for the bikes,...hmmm
says nothing about giant....C-40
Jul 13, 2002 12:40 PM
Once puts together a great team time trial regardless of what they ride. Check the standings after the first big mountain stage. Things won't look so rosey.
Agree, but...elviento
Jul 13, 2002 6:47 PM
For the money, Giant is a pretty damn good bike.

TCR $800
Specialized S works $1600
DeRosa UD $2900
Merckx Team SC $1850
We should see just Beloki & Olano near the top next week. -nmTig
Jul 13, 2002 1:32 PM
Monday, July 154bykn
Jul 13, 2002 2:02 PM
Individual Time Trial (with a day of rest following).....I suspect there will be a big shake-up then. Perhaps a yellow jersey on familiar shoulders?

In fact, I'd expect a Jackie Durand style breakaway on Sunday since the legitimate GC contenders may be saving a bit for Monday.
Sunday, July 14lnin0
Jul 13, 2002 3:21 PM
Ahh...Phil noticed this too...Jackie hanging out in the back today resting up for BASTILLE DAY in FRANCE!!!
Things will change on Monday and then from Thursday on...DrD
Jul 13, 2002 2:42 PM
Have an individual time trial coming up, then they go into the mountains on Thursday... the top ten are within a minute of one another... some of them will loose tens of minutes in the mountains...
Way too early to take the GC chart seriously...elviento
Jul 13, 2002 6:42 PM
What's 38 seconds? In past Tours, Lance beat the rest of the riders by at least 6-7 minutes (excluding Ulrich b/c he isn't here this year).
"It's not about the bike"bic
Jul 13, 2002 8:13 PM
But when was the last time the first 7 out of 10 riders, after one week, were on the same team?

After three yellows with no real troubles Lance is still only down 00:34. Perhaps this will be the Tour that gives him his greatest test so far. And perhaps it will also be the Tour that will, if it does and he prevails, define his greatness. I look forward to this Tour more then I have in some time. Once has a great team as Lance stated before.
7 of 10, does it really mean that much?Leisure
Jul 13, 2002 11:51 PM
At these stages the teams are all hanging together, you'd expect teammates to be running similar times. Some of those ONCE guys will inevitably get siphoned out in the mountain stages when Lance among others makes their move. On the other hand, it should be fair to speculate that everyone is expecting this, especially of Lance, and has been training to endure it. Maybe ONCE is just keeping themselves in a good position keeping their teammates together early. For all we know they're hanging back just a bit as well, mustering just enough to keep a wee bit ahead of Lance but leave enough in their strong men to fair well against him in the mountains.

Or Lance will come out and stomp all over them again.

So what will more seriously define Lance's greatness anyway? Completely trouncing all over everyone by even more than before, or actually being contested and still managing to pull it out?
"It's not about the bike"4bykn
Jul 14, 2002 5:09 AM
i "But when was the last time the first 7 out of 10 riders, after one week, were on the same team? "

It's virtually certain when a team time trial is held
b before
the individual time trials and the mountain stages.
We'll see in the mountains! (nm)PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Jul 15, 2002 11:51 AM