|bike/traffic incident...with a STATE TROOPER!!!||EJC|
Jul 12, 2002 1:47 PM
|I took today off, and went out for a nice 50 mile ride. I decided to go up Whiteface Mountain and do a loop which gives a good bit of climbing and drops you out into Saranac Lake.
ESPN's "Great Outdoor Games" are taking place in the area and this provides a nice bit of entertainment in the area (no joke, we all have to play in the sandbox together...) but this is what happened...
They have a speedboat event, whereupon Bubba's in all shapes and sizes converge on Saranac Lake with boat engines a'blazin'...they also have to put this behemoths on TRAILERS which in turn require BIG Ford Dually F350 Pickups to pull...there were about 8-10 of these monstrosities barreling down the road with a DEC Police officer car and a NYS Trooper car in the front of the procession and another State Trooper BEHIND the procession.
I was solo, and well on the shoulder climbing. There is a right hand turn off the main road that I was on and I was going STRAIGHT (hence, I had the right of way, and did not need to signal that I was going STRAIGHT...) The Trooper escorted red-neck procession was turning RIGHT...(you see where this is going yet?) As I start to go STRAIGHT and NOT turn right, the trailers, boats, trucks AND TROOPERS all pass me on the left, and then CUT ME OFF as they turn RIGHT!!! I had to swerve to avoid one of the trucks (no hyperbole or exxageration) and I went into a guardrail, smashed up my shin and fell.
The Trooper BEHIND the procession saw the trucks cut me off, saw me fall and still proceeded on!!! I MADE EYE CONTACT WITH THE F***ER!!!
I was so pissed! When I got back into town I went to the office and proceeded to call the Troopers. You can bet your arse I filed a report!!! It is bad enough that we have to put up with thise shite from people who are ididots, let alone from police officers who should damn well know better.
I have some scrapes and boo-boos and my bike is fine, but this just blows.
|re: consider yourself lucky...||Akirasho|
Jul 12, 2002 2:21 PM
|... locally, we've got a former State Trooper on trial for alledgedly shooting his wife in the face... then leaving the scene.
He claims that he was cleaning the gun when it went off... and rather than tend to his injured wife, he decides to drive several miles away and turn himself in at another police agency, claiming that he panic'd.
Said wife survives the injuries... stands by her husband, and refuses to press charges... the state decides to press anyway.
It does seem odd that the Trooper witnessed an accident on the road (I'm assuming that your state extends rights to the road to cyclists as well) and did not investigate... hmmmmmmmmmm....
Remain In Light.
Jul 12, 2002 2:29 PM
|Yup , sure is funny how a professionally trained lawman can accidentialy have his weapon discharge at his wife while cleaning it. I'm just amazed that he hasn't shot himself more than a few times before - maybe he panic'd those times to and kept it quiet. How many fundamental weapons handling rules did he break? |
At the end of the day cops are just people also and have all of the same human frailties. We expect a lot more from them b/c of the position they've placed themselves in. Hopefuly she'll get out from under his abusive control.
|Off the topic!||Breakfast|
Jul 12, 2002 2:38 PM
|What's your point?
I was thinking this thread was going to about troopers and cyclists.
Jul 12, 2002 2:52 PM
|I didn't start the bit about the trooper shooting his wife. I guess MY point would be how lucky I am not to be married to a trooper that would try and shoot me and then cover it up. Either that or I don't have a point. Oh wait, you don't have one either....dang. |
The point is we all think that cops are somehow the defenders of liberty, our freedoms, and everything right. That they'll never make a mistake and then try and cvoer it up. The original poster couldn't believe he was run off the road by a police escort of Bubba-mobiles. I'd have to counter how could you be so naive as to think that you're ever truly safe on a bike? You'd have to be a fool or too thick to read between the lines.
This thread can be about whatever you want it to be, but first you have to contribute.
Jul 12, 2002 7:24 PM
|I meant it for the original poster of the shooting story. I clicked on a wrong button.
I did contribute to the trooper highway incident thread and I'm not naive about the dangers of riding the road.
Just so you know.
Jul 12, 2002 2:45 PM
|I typed up a lengthy reply... then decided discretion is the better part... true, humans with human frailties...
Remain In Light.
Jul 12, 2002 2:22 PM
|'Dems that gots the gold makes the rules. |
The trooper that saw the whole thing could only do one thing if he acknowldged your situation - give the rest of the motorcade hell. He was probably the junior man and was going to get a ride in one of the boats later on. It doesn't make it right, but sometimes you have to yield in the name of self preservation - especially when you're dealing with rednecks and their gasoline powered toys.
Yeah, I'd be pissed too - push your complaint.
Jul 12, 2002 2:46 PM
|I hope you got a license number off the truck they turned into you and the trooper's ID.
Your report should reflect that the trooper was a witness (the real nature of his job is to be a professional witness) and failed to make contact with the violator to cite or warn.
Not much will happen however, but do contact the trooper by mail through the department later telling him you were personally offended by his lack of professionalism and sympathy for the bicycling public.
|rednecks to blame?||kenyee|
Jul 12, 2002 8:19 PM
|In this case, I don't think they were to blame. If I read it right, it was an escorted caravan w/ cops in front and cops in back. The cops at the front were to blame for not seeing the cyclist and yielding right of way, no?
I'd yield and let them go in the cyclists position. 150-200lbs w/ no crumple zone vs. 2 tons is no contest...
Jul 12, 2002 3:13 PM
|This is certainly not meant in any way to excuse their conduct, but if you had a mirror you likely would have seen what they were about to do. I really like my Take A Look.
Jul 12, 2002 6:51 PM
|A mirror is good to have & use, but it does not excuse their behavior, nor relinquish their responsibility. As enforcers of the law, they are not above it, and to the contrary, are held out as an example for the rest of us to follow. Their badge does not put right on their side. A very poor example once again set by some of our finest, leaving a poor taste in many mouths.|
|How in the hell would a mirror have helped?||Spoiler|
Jul 13, 2002 4:22 AM
|Unless you have some sort of magic mirror, it's only going to tell you what's happening behind. What could he see from behind that would tell him they were going to cut him off? Perhaps he could have seen turn signals, but that still doesn't tell him they're not going to wait for him.|
Jul 13, 2002 1:52 PM
|If you could seem them approaching from behind, and particularly if you saw the turn signals and their failure to slow, that would give cause for concern, and at least likely avoid a collision.
Again, I'm not relieving them of responsibility. Sometimes, though, there are things we can do to help to protect ourselves even when others are idiots (you're not paranoid if they really are out to get you).
|Happened to me too---YESTERDAY!||yfoiler|
Jul 12, 2002 3:13 PM
|I'm riding solo on my country road loop by my local airport.
There's a blind left bend in the road up ahead. As I approach the blind turn, Three, yes, three cars pull out around me, cross the double yellow "don't pass" line and all of them cut into the opposite lane at the apex of this blind corner (lucky no cars were coming the other way!) I'm waving my hand frantically for them to hold back...to no avail. They all proceed around me into the opposite lane of traffic.
So what's so unusual about this? It happens to us all the time right? Well car number three was a Charlotte County Sheriff!!! How's that for road safety? He didn't even turn his lights on for the other two drivers that broke the law in front of him!!!!!!!! I was dumbfounded... Still am.
|re: bike/traffic incident...with a STATE TROOPER!!!||SlowRoadie|
Jul 12, 2002 5:35 PM
|Cos cops SUCK. I really tried to believe otherwise, but i've been proven right far too many times. Maybe it's just Texas?|
|re: bike/traffic incident...with a STATE TROOPER!!!||Shadow11|
Jul 14, 2002 9:57 AM
|If you knew that all these big trucks with boats are around, why not even check to see if they may be turning?
These things definitely can't stop on a dime, I can assure you of that. I spent last year driving around the Southcentral part of the US for a sports company with an Excursion and 15foot custom trailer and the amount of times people cut me off, not realizing that my stopping powers with all that weight are severely compromised was stupifying.
Were the lights going, on the Trooper's cars,etc? If so, you wouldn't cut off a funeral procession right..
I haven't looked up the laws in NYS lately where I also live, but if I'm on the shoulder, I don't give myself the same rights as if I'm descending down 9W in the right lane at 50+ and moving with traffic..
|Were the lights and sirens going?||TJeanloz|
Jul 15, 2002 5:06 AM
|If the troopers had their lights or sirens going, you have an obligation to yield to the escort. If a police car, or fire engine, or ambulence, comes down the street with lights and sirens on, you have to yield like any other vehicle- even if they are just escorting a dignatary, or not-so-dignitary.|| |