Jul 11, 2002 2:45 PM
|OK, so today I was riding along the Chicago lakefront path, minding my own business and enjoying a nice tailwind, when some guy on a Quintana Roo darts in front of me, almost smacking my front wheel with his itty bitty back wheel. I tell him to "watch it!" I'm not especially interested in passing him, so I just keep drafting off him for a while. He picks it up to 26 or so, and I stay right there with him. Thirty seconds later he turns his head and blows a big wad of snot in my face. I don't say anything, but naturally I'm annoyed. We ride like that in silence for another 10 minutes or so, until he decides to fall back and I continue on my way.
My question: is it normal to get wads of snot intentionally blown at you during a training ride? Was he completely out of bounds? Was I partly to blame for drafting off him without asking permission? (People seem to draft off of me pretty often on the lakefront path, and I've never especially minded.) Are triathletes from mars, roadies from venus? What is it that brings out the nasty streak in otherwise respectable thirtysomething upper-middle-class urban professionals when they're on a bike?
|That's bad etiquette in any context ...||Humma Hah|
Jul 11, 2002 3:39 PM
|... snot rockets in the face are just NASTY and there's no excuse for it.
Drafting someone without asking is, at most, a minor annoyance. Slightly impolite, it makes some riders nervous because they don't know your riding skills and fear you might wheel-lap them (worse for you than for them). It also may make them feel responsible for your safety, so they have to concentrate on signaling you of hazards up ahead, thereby distracting them from a nice solo ride.
But a rider who cuts you off is obviously not worried about safety, and I'd be willing to bet he was not doing much signaling of road hazards. He was agressive, just asking to be chased like a rabbit.
I personally take it as a high complement when a roadbike drops in on my six to draft the cruiser.
|re: Path etiquette||filtersweep|
Jul 11, 2002 4:54 PM
|Sounds like you encountered a hammerhead, and it drove him nuts that he couldn't drop you. Some morons are oblivious to the snot issue/spit issue... it may not have been intentional... much like the guy in the cubical across from you who, while out of sight, constantly sniffles and snorts like if no one can see him, no one can hear him.
My question: is it normal to get wads of snot intentionally blown at you during a training ride?
Was he completely out of bounds?
Was I partly to blame for drafting off him without asking permission?
Are triathletes from mars, roadies from venus?
What is it that brings out the nasty streak in otherwise respectable thirtysomething upper-middle-class urban professionals when they're on a bike?
I hate to answer a question with a question, but have you driven on the freeway lately?
|Yes yes and yes||rollo tommassi|
Jul 11, 2002 5:24 PM
|The Chicago Lakefront bikepath is THE most dangerous place to ride anywhere! Avoid it like the plague... I do, between May 1 and Oct 1! People like those you encountered are why....it is not a good place to train, anyway.
if you're really going to annoy someone, pass him and drop him (heh, heh).
Anne (with the fixie Basso who has given up on the path) If you see me, wave - I promise I won't snort at ya!
|re: Path etiquette||Soultrain|
Jul 11, 2002 7:39 PM
|Here's the way that I see it.
Bottom line he is being childish for not moving or warning you about his intended rocket launch.
Here might have been some factors though.
1) If he is a triathlete then they get naturally annoyed when someone drafts them as drafting is contrary to their sport and whole philosophy.
2) If you didn't ask him or at least let him know that you were there, then it was your fault that you got a face full of snot. Lucky for you that was all that you got! I know that if someone catches me and drafts me and I don't know that they are back there it is just plain stupid for them, as I am not looking out for their safty, I am just doing a solo ride.
I'm just looking out for myself, if I decide to jam on the brakes to stop and take a look at an interesting piece of roadkill, He will most likly hit the pavement hard. He might think that this is my fault, but how can that be if I didn't even know that he was back there in the first place?
If I know that he is back there then I will be mindfull of his safty and point out hazards and let him know what I am going to do before hand. When you are drafting you are directly placing your safty in the leaders hands and I would make sure that he knew it.
That is my arguement, I don't really care if some drafts me, but they(for their own safty) should let me know that they plan to draft.
|re: all i need to know i learned in kindergarden....||stik__boy|
Jul 12, 2002 5:13 AM
|come on "if i dont know your back there"......????? jamming on the brakes to check out some road kill sounds pretty intentional for not knowing someones back there!!!! is it rude to draft w/o some sign of your presence, yes. is it equally as stupid to act like some snob and blow snot on someone or worse yet try to hurt them..... yes. if someone i was riding with did something to try and hurt me, or "teach me a lesson"..... they better be clicked in and gone by he time i get up or there may be more than snot coming out of they're nose......|
Jul 12, 2002 2:43 AM
|Obviously he was reading into you too much and didn't take any responsibility for his own stupid actions. No need to read too far into yourself on his behalf and throw yourself into an endless cycle (pun) of self-questioning. He was completely out of bounds from the start, and other than becoming a better snot dodger you handled the situation pretty well. You rode your own pace, let him burn himself up (and out) getting frustrated with his inability to drop you after being a total tool, and he had to give up. You won the confrontation and you didn't need to take any trouble to do so. I love stories like this (except for the part where you took a wad to the face, of course). Kudos to you.|
|re: Path etiquette||aliensporebomb|
Jul 12, 2002 2:56 AM
|All I can say is "YUCK!" I would have yelled "keep your SNOT to yourself please." |
I can't imagine that happening here but then again, maybe it could.