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One for the stack height weenies(17 posts)

One for the stack height weeniesgs6769
Jul 9, 2002 6:12 AM
Good thing Cycling News doesn't have a 'post comment' button. The denizens of the RBR gallery would be all over this, flaming away.
re: One for the stack height weeniesgs6769
Jul 9, 2002 6:15 AM
oops.
in contextgs6769
Jul 9, 2002 6:17 AM
Now I know why I don't like sloping top tubes (nm)Paul
Jul 9, 2002 6:25 AM
That's a strange comment indeed.elviento
Jul 9, 2002 7:06 AM
Incidentally the bike tester on cyclingnews also had the same comment, but when you think of it, the sloping toptube is not the reason for excessive spacers.

In fact, sloping design does exactly the opposite, because it allows TALLER front end and LOWER rear end. Seven, for example, does exactly that with their compact models.

If specialized chooses to have a low front end and an even lower rear end, then that's the manufacturer's choice and has nothing to do with the compact design. If you look at Specialized's geometries, their compact design have exactly the SAME headtube length as their non compact frames, hence the number of spacers needed would be the same either way.

To those people who think compact design is to blame for lack of frame sizes and the need for spacers, what's next? Blame compact design for the wars in the middle east???

As for this picture, he should have simply flipped the stem and saved 3.5cm of spacers.
Exactly, my compact Serotta is perfect with NO spacers nmclimbo
Jul 9, 2002 7:36 AM
nm
I should have said I don't like the long seat post on compactsPaul
Jul 9, 2002 9:07 AM
I see the pros and others with foot long seat posts, and think they are ugly. Granted, compacts work for compact people, I just don't like them especially when they make them in large sizes. Yes, he could have bought a stem with a greater rise, and saved spacers. Looks ugly the way he has it.

Nothing personnal
Wouldn't it be better to have a long carbon post...bnlkid
Jul 9, 2002 9:12 AM
and short aluminum seat tube? I personally think it would absorb more road vibration with that setup. I could be wrong, though. Just because it makes logical sense doesn't mean it makes scientific sense.
Giant puts a long carbon post on their AL frames, butPaul
Jul 9, 2002 9:32 AM
never asked/got feedback if it's any better then AL as far as ride is concerned. Looked like a carbon seat post on the Specialized also that was posted (aero at top).
For some reason, they put aero carbon seat posts on these comapcts thinking it will make less drag. At best, it must be minimal.

Carbon is the rage now. Cracks me up when I see carbon stays on ti bikes, I mean, I thought ti was right after steel for the best ride in the world.

Even Merlin is makig a carbon bike. And Lite Speed makes an AL. Just going after bigger market share.

Compacts work for certain people.
I have a Giant.bnlkid
Jul 9, 2002 9:53 AM
I love the Giant TCR0 compact bike. I could put an aluminum post on it and see if there is a difference. I'm guessing it would be noticeable. I think the aero post might be a way to make it stronger without making it thicker, but I agree there isn't any noticeable difference in aero. I really love the way the Giant rides and handles. It is just as comfortable as the steel bike I ride(CSI). I know that may be hard to believe, but I don't feel like I am riding an aluminum bike with the Giant. I agree with you about the carbon stays and ti. Even Serotta built a bike with it and I thought the Legend was supposed to be the best riding titanium bike out there(it better be because I ordered one a week ago).

I think compact works for me because I have a longer torso than legs, so my seatpost doesn't need to be quite as high. If people don't like the way it looks, that's fine, because to me it's all about how it rides. Lately I have been riding the Giant more than the CSI. But your right, it is all about preference. I don't think compact works well for people taller than 6 feet.
Congrads on the Serotta, love their paint jobsPaul
Jul 9, 2002 10:23 AM
I have to admit I'm into flash, one reason i bought a Look kg386. When I get on my C-Dale after riding the Look, it's like going to a pickup truck, ride is so harsh, and I've been riding C-Dales for years.

Let see , you have AL, steel, and now a ti is coming. Have to try a carbon next. There are several members in my club who have Serottas. One in particular is painted in a blue/purple fade with gold colored Rolf Vector Pros. Man, it is beautiful!! Own by a woman who competes on the national scale. Another guy has a Seven with a carbon seat tube/stays, Record 10. Paid over 5,000 for it. Just can't figure it out, carbon/ti mix.

When I see Cipo on that Specialize, he just doesn't look right.

Good luck with your new bike
I should have said I don't like the long seat post on compactsflying
Jul 9, 2002 10:38 AM
I dont so much mind the look of the fott long seat posts but......
Seems a bit scary having a foot long carbon post unsupported near your fragile area ;-)
I know carbon tubes are strong when placed in a frame. Triangulation etc. but to have a foot long flexing with my butt on the end of it?? Ummm I'll pass ;-)
re: One for the stack height weeniesClydeTri
Jul 9, 2002 10:01 AM
Interestingly, isnt the stem negative? he could just turn it over, remove a spacer or two, and have same geometry couldnt he?
Yeesh, my "freeride" bike has less spacers (riser bars help)off roadie
Jul 9, 2002 12:50 PM
You could flip that stem over and reduce the stem-to-headset distance. If you don't want to cut the steerer, you can put spacers ABOVE the stem, and then tighten everything up as normal.
re: One for the stack height weeniespaulw
Jul 9, 2002 10:08 AM
I don't know who this bike was set up for. However, if this person has long legs and a short torso, a lot of stack height might be the only way to get the bike to fit properly. Of course, it could be debated that the frame is wrong for that person but that's another story.
Height weenies? How 'bout reach weenies?Kristin
Jul 9, 2002 10:32 AM
If you're gonna have height weenies and weight weenies, then there must be reach weenies too. Gosh, there's a weenie for everyone. But I'm tiring of weenies...I'm gonna go for a ride! erm...
treacherous ground there, KristinDougSloan
Jul 9, 2002 3:12 PM
>there's a weenie for everyone

We could really smack that great big softball you threw up there for us.

On the substantive issue, I think it would have looked much better, and not been so obvious, by sticking to a solid single spacer or at least all the same color. Carbon fiber would look good.

Doug