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Liggett is such a dope.(20 posts)

Liggett is such a dope.tempeteKerouak
Jul 9, 2002 4:03 AM
One would have thought that with all his "experience" (not to mention researchers and scriptors and other contributors) he would know how to pronounce the names of the racers and the places correctly...

No such luck.

I bet he needs a cue card to remind him it's a bicycle race.

Still, I'm glad I can see the Tour everynight! It really was something seeing Jens Voigt rocketing away from the peloton yesterday! And then what a sprint by Freire! Wheelsucker extraordinaire!

See ya.
I like PhilNessism
Jul 9, 2002 5:22 AM
and how would like to try to learn the names of all the various riders, towns, mountains, ect? Good luck. It would be one thing if they were all from the same country/culture/language but alas, no such luck. Heck, I get the names of my kids messed up sometimes!

Ed
He is dry,needs a good color man. But I bet he makesPaul
Jul 9, 2002 6:39 AM
good money. That was a great break away by Jens, could see him tiring though. But that is what makes cycling such fun.
Mapei doesn't seem to have the lead out men that Telecom has, so give credit to Oscar. Wish Cipo was in the tour. Love to see Telecom and Sapone going at it.
He has a tendency to be over dramatic....DINOSAUR
Jul 9, 2002 7:07 AM
But would you like to have the other option of no Phil Liggett and no coverage? I'm amazed that he can keep talking for the whole race and never stop. Maybe he is related to my Italian Mother-In-Law. It's not an easy job. I wouldn't have a clue how to pronounce half of those names.
I think sometimes he has a tendency to read to much into what is unfolding but all-and-all I think he does a good job...
Come on now...over-dramatic?ColnagoFE
Jul 9, 2002 7:38 AM
Isn't being dramatic what a good color commentator does? Why get upset at him for being enthusiastic? Would you prefer someone with absolutely no emotion commenting?
Come on now...over-dramatic?DINOSAUR
Jul 9, 2002 7:58 AM
Hmmmmmm think I've just been flammed and by a fellow Colnago owner at that......I do think he has a flair for being over-dramatic, it wasn't a slam against Mr. Ligget, just my measley opinion...anyway that is the object of this board, opinions, right?
nah...no flames....just a friendly disagreement (n m)ColnagoFE
Jul 9, 2002 12:18 PM
you mean like John Tesh? (nm)EpicX
Jul 9, 2002 8:16 AM
Come on now...over-dramatic?Rubberbandman
Jul 9, 2002 2:06 PM
Come on. We all ride bikes and many race but watching a 5 hour stage race is pretty dull. The commentators have a difficult job to do. How do you keep an audience awake during the middle hrs when 150 riders are content to roll along bunched together? They have to spice it up with dramatic commentary.

rbm
over dramatic....?klay
Jul 9, 2002 7:49 AM
Would you say he was, "commenting like a man possessed"?

I wonder how many times a stage he utters this phrase. This might make a good drinking game. You know, just like that Bob Newhart one...

K
DisagreeGK
Jul 9, 2002 8:47 AM
They're arguably the best English language cycling race callers around. Better chemistry than Madden and Summeral. They're knowledgeable, congenial, self-deprecating. Funny.

And for all the air time they have to fill, they do pretty well overall. YOU try talking over 2.5 hours of a bike race.... Well you probably couldn't, and neither, as we have found, can any American non-cycling talking head do it as well either (e.g. Karstens, Ketayian, et al).

Predictably, almost every other stage Phil pokes fun at Paul's cycling career. And their accents are kind of cool without being flat and indecipherable like Duffield's.

BTW, it's Paul who is the master of the overstatement, but that's always been an English lingual trait -- using adverbs like absolutely, magnificently, terribly, horribly, etc. to set up adjectives. I would say many Americans find this amusing.

Another example...Just before Lance's attack on the Alpe last year, Paul talks over a shot of a cracked Vinokourov struggling up the ascent, saying something like "The Telekom riders have done their jobs for the day. They are used up and they are dropping like flies." Immediately they cut to Lance who is already 20 meters up on Ullrich, and without missing a beat, Paul shouts, "And Armstrong is off."

C'mon, this truly beats most American sports commentary... I guess there are not a lot of baseball fans around, but i think (young) Joe Buck is as good for Baseball as Phil and Paul are for cycling. Now if only McCarver would zip his yap (even if he correctly predicts what's about to happen most of the time.)

GK
I like him.Pygme
Jul 9, 2002 8:53 AM
I like Phil too. It is just that some people are against anything that is established. They just want change, for changes sake.

Phil cracks me up. Yesterday when Jens broke away and Thor was ailing at the back he said, "The peleton is in a credit agricole sandwich."

I like Phil.
Here, here, old chapMcAndrus
Jul 9, 2002 10:32 AM
It takes a while to get used to the overwrought dramatizations like Paul's "suitcase of courage" or the endless uses of "incredible" and "unbelievable."

However, I think Phil (and Phil and Paul as a team) do an excellent job. If you think not, try listening to any American baseball play-by-play man calling a 3.5 hour 2-1 game on a hot August afternoon. Talk about dead air!

They have an huge advantage over everyone else I've heard call a race: they seem to truly enjoy it.
Disagree, tooseyboro
Jul 9, 2002 5:54 PM
I'm with my man GK on this. The best line ever uttered in any sports event came from King Phil himself, TdF'01:"...Armstrong has dropped Ullrich and asked the question: 'Are you coming or not?! ...And the answer is: NOT!!'"
As for the pronunciation of the riders' names, except for Jaksche (yak-shuh), he does the Germans right, at least.
Guy in the Smirnoff commercial is the best, most color (nm)Paul
Jul 9, 2002 9:21 AM
I like them. They make a great team nmPhatMatt
Jul 9, 2002 9:39 AM
phil and paul are great nmishmael
Jul 9, 2002 11:37 AM
Phil kind of reminds me of Harry CaryPack Meat
Jul 9, 2002 12:11 PM
Harry was always mispronouncing names, calling guys the wrong name, etc. On a homerun Harry would still be yelling "it might be, it could be..." as the ball was bouncing around in the bleachers. What's really funny to me is when people pronounce a name the way Phil does not realizing that Phil isn't pronouncing it correctly. Haven't they ever heard him say Kevin LivingSTONE? Bottom line is Phil and Paul are the best and nobody beats Phil calling a sprint.
phil is the best!rufus
Jul 9, 2002 2:28 PM
best announcer for cycling we could have. i didn't much like paul the first time i heard him years ago, but have grown to like what he does. he and phil together are terrific, kind of an abbott and costello routine going.

you'd rather have brian drebber(ugh, the fat pig) or john (monotone)eustice?
re: Liggett is such a dope.mackgoo
Jul 9, 2002 4:32 PM
Sherwin and Ligget are the best. Now Frankie, there's a dope.