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Cane Creek intergrated headset opinion anyone?(6 posts)

Cane Creek intergrated headset opinion anyone?olsta
Jul 7, 2002 6:37 PM
I have recently purchased a merlin ti frame, and I am curious on the longevity and usability of the above mentioned headset. I have had experience with campy record intergrated on a aluminium bike, and I think its absolutely wonderful, but I have heard some negative reports on this particular set up. Feedback welcome.
The Cane Creek works better than Campy hiddenset onLazywriter
Jul 7, 2002 7:32 PM
your Merlin and my LS Vortex. I had Campy at first, but it was binding because they changed the specs on the angles of the bearings and I had to go with CC and it is flawless. CC makes some good stuff, but their low end can be crap and hence the reputation. Their integrated is used in many many bikes and it is working great.
The headset is less the issue but it is the way your Merlin was made that affects the way your headset operates. The fact that you bought a well made bike and the headtube is made with precision will allow the headset to do its job. The Campy works fine, but not with Litespeeds and Merlins which my LBS has been swapping out for the CC which is solving the issues.
The CC are plentiful and relatively cheap so you can always find a replacement and you can alays get one from Merlin if need be.
seems to work OK on my TCRweiwentg
Jul 8, 2002 12:56 AM
I've heard that if the headtube is deformed, the headset will, sooner or later, be toast. mine has worked fine so far.
Chris King explainslnin0
Jul 8, 2002 5:47 AM
Take this for what you will, but Chris King has a very good explanation of the 'integrated headset' on his website.

http://www.chrisking.com/pdfs/Int%20Headsets%20Explained.pdf

Remember, however, this is a company that makes a lot of money off headsets and also has their own zero stack standard so it maybe a bit biased (still good info though).
Marketing mumbo-jumbo...perhaps?kapalua
Jul 8, 2002 10:28 AM
Since I'm building my next bike, I did some investigation into integrated headsets. While Chris King's white paper pointed out some valide concerns with integrated headsets (i.e., bearings that contact directly with the head tube), I have found that these are rather inconsequential arguments. Most frame manufacturers that use integrated headsets install an internal cup for bearings (Merlin XL Compact, for instance). Also, integrated headset manufacturers like Cane Creek use sealed bearings, so there's no bearing contact with the frame at all.

I heard that Chris King was too late to enter the integrated headset market, so he's doing some marketing to push his new "standard" internal headset.

Read his paper with a grain of salt...

Cheers,
Lenn
Lenn, you couldn't have hit it more on the head.Lazywriter
Jul 8, 2002 1:40 PM
King makes the best standard headsets in the world, but they were asleep at the wheel and really f'd up and are thinking by spreading fear, integrated will go away. It seems really pathetic to me.
My litspeed has the pressed in cups plus the bearings are sealed so you are correct that all the concerns King brought up, don't relate to a lot of frames.