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Why are people such A Holes....?(15 posts)

Why are people such A Holes....?khockey19
Jul 7, 2002 1:32 PM
Hey everyone i've just gotten into the whole road cycling bizz this past spring after saving up for a little over a year to get a bike of my own ( Giant TCR 0 )... i love riding and i try to get out almost everyday... most of the time i rarely see other roadies on my weekly routes but on the weekends in Philadelphia the city shuts down a 4 mile strip of highway to the cars and such for recreational purposes.... i've been going down there and riding since i was in about 1st grade on my little kids trek and still love it but since its such a great oportunity for people to ride it brings out alot of other roadies... great right? i dont always agree... today i'm riding along at about half way through my 60 mile ride that my dad and I try to get in once a week and a notice a local club rider who's team does well in all of the local road events... so i grab his wheel and he's pulling well and then i go to take my share of the work and it turns out he couldn't stay on my wheel, since i'm training i'm not exactly in the mood to wait for this guy just so he can have an easier time staying with me so i keep up my pace and drop him. after reaching the end of the road where most people turn around and starting to head back he passes going the other way still and yells to me "Learn to Pull Damnit!" now i'm not sure if i did something wrong here that you guys usually do different?? i mean if he can't keep up then thats his prob. not mine right???
Another thing, towards the end of our ride before my dad and I are about to head back home another Club/CAT rider who's team i saw win the Manyunk hill climb TT back in June passes us and my dad says for me to go grab his wheel... i do and he could really zoom along which i thought was great but it turns out he didn't like the fact of a kid staying on his wheel or something b/c he kept swirving speratically trying to put me into the wind and when i'd just grab his wheel again he'd shake his head in disgust.... whats with this?? i'm not completely understanding why these people are such A$$holes... is it wrong to draft off of someone or something??? its confusing b/c i'm only just turned 17 and want to get as good/fast as i can but these kinds of things dicourage me so maybe you all can lend an opinion on why people are like this or what i can do to not piss 'em
Open the lines of communicationGK
Jul 7, 2002 1:50 PM
I think proper roadie etiquette is to ask a rider if you can take his wheel, and/or if he/she wants to latch on. That you and these other riders didn't quickly talk about what you/they were doing is more of the problem. You can't read their minds any more than they can read yours.

I think some roadies in general have spent too much time on their seatposts, and have forgotten a thing or two about using polite, direct communication to get what they want. Likewise, there are some Peloton and Paceline talkers who just need to S.T.F.U. and ride.

Hey, this morning my friends & I got buzzed by a hog-riding motorcyclist. Blew her horn. Passed right on my shoulder and everything. Hmmm. I expect a little more love from someone on two wheels who probably ought to know about the risks of riding among bigger, heavier vehicles.

Anyway, be good and ride well. You're most of the way there already, kid.

Agree -- don't wheelsuck unless you ask first....Niwot
Jul 7, 2002 6:52 PM
It's basic etiquette. If you're not in a race, and the other rider is not someone you know, just show a little common courtesy and ask first.

If you ask, you look like a courteous and friendly rider. If you don't ask, you look like a leech who is just trying to take advantage of someone else's effort and hoping they'll let you get away with it.

Like so many other situations in life, you get to decide whether others will think of you as a good guy or a bad guy. The choice is yours.
re: Did you ask if you could take his wheel?cyclejim
Jul 7, 2002 3:04 PM
Just because your Dad told you to doesn't mean you just do it. It's not really cool to latch onto a riders wheel without asking permission. Obviously as you experienced this guy did not want you on his wheel which is why he acted like he did. Not that he handled it properly either, there are other ways of letting people know you don't want them there, like shouting "hey, do you mind getting off my wheel?" Anyways live and learn, communication goes both ways.
first guy may have had a point, but the 2nd guy was an a-holeTig
Jul 7, 2002 3:20 PM
When you took your turn at the front with the first guy, how much did you speed up? If you kept the speed given to you like most people should, he wouldn't have been dropped and wouldn't give you any grief later. To speed up in a steady pace line is usually frowned upon and is considered a rookie move. When the person in front of you is done and pulls out, keep your pace and don't try to fill in the empty spot. Let the other rider pull over and slow down instead of you speeding up. The idea of sharing the work load is to keep the speed going smoothly (sometimes the pace goes up or down a little) while taking turns resting. You know the old saying, "There is no 'I' in 'team work' "? Usually the average speed goes up when you have more people thanks to the longer recovery each person gets before pulling again. Also, the duration of the pulls tends to be shorter as the speed increases. Remember, for the most part this isn't racing like you see on TV, but recreational fitness riding with other amateurs. Please take this in the meaning it is meant: constructive criticism. Don't let anyone who has no mannors ruin your enjoyment. Ask questions of more experienced riders (like you have done in here today).

I could never, nor would I want to, explain the 2nd rider's actions. If he didn't want you to be on his wheel, he should have politely asked you do not draft him. Someone doing intervals will change speed over and over and wouldn't want an unsuspecting rider to touch wheels and crash.
Had a person suck my wheel the other day....Alexx
Jul 7, 2002 3:45 PM
...on a club ride. The idiot was using his aero bars!! Of course, I told him off, as did several other club members (just before we dropped him, that is).
The quick answer to your situation is this: Don't gerab the wheel of somebody you don't know. Never ride on somebody's wheel when you are in your drops, or in your aero bars, and never, ever pretend that you are in the TdF!
Never draft when you are in your drops?Kerry
Jul 7, 2002 4:37 PM
This is a new one! So, it is unsafe to ride in the drops when drafting? They guy behind you doesn't get enough draft? What possible reason could there be to not ride the drops? Agree totally on the aerobar prohibition, but the drops?
Never draft when you are in your drops?mickey-mac
Jul 7, 2002 5:04 PM
That's a new one for me too. I almost always feel more comfortable on the hoods when drafting because the more upright position provides a little better view of the road while still giving me acess to the brakes when needed. However, I've never felt unsafe when drafting in the drops and have seen many people do it without a word from others in the group.
ditto (nm)jtolleson
Jul 7, 2002 5:08 PM
Never draft when you are in your drops?pa rider
Jul 8, 2002 2:50 AM
Hey kerry. sorry to jump on the post, but my reason for no to drops in pace line is simple. How good can you brake in the drops?

I don't get a good grip or leverage with the brake handle in that position. Maybe you feel you have better control, but I don't. Not busting on bud, but just make a point that I feel you have better control of the bike on the hoods not in the drops.

Depends on your setupniteschaos
Jul 8, 2002 3:50 AM
I have my bike setup to corner and brake best while I'm in the drops.
How much of a drop do you have???pa rider
Jul 8, 2002 5:42 AM
Not sure how those racers control the bike when their handle bar is 4 to 5 inches lower than the seat.

I feel more in control on the hoods. I only hit two cars and each time I landed on there hood, before I slide of the side of the car. I'm over 6 foot maybe that's reason or just my MTB roots.

Thanks niteschaos,

I agree with TigWalter
Jul 7, 2002 3:51 PM
Look at it this way; the first guy gave you a pull, in a way you sort of owed him one. Nothing wrong with hammering and devil takes the hindmost but if you sit-in for awhile return the favor. After that tell him "thanks" and drop the hammer.

The second guy was a jerk; all he had to do was open his mouth.

Don't stress over this. There are some people who will always complain and your transgressions were pretty minor, no one crashed.
It's disruptive,TJeanloz
Jul 8, 2002 5:33 AM
I typically ride in small groups (~5 people), all of whom are my close friends. When I do ride alone, I do it because I want to ride alone. There's a certain freedom involved with not having to think about the draft you're giving the guy behind you, and the potholes that you don't have to point out. And sometimes I like that freedom.

It REALLY chafes me when I'm riding alone, pass somebody, and they go and jump on my wheel. Obviously, I was going faster than they were, or I would not have caught them. With the draft, they can sit back there forever. But it annoys me to have somebody there. It's selfish, but there are times that I just want to be alone. Typically, I'll just slow down to the point where they pass me, and then they look back like: "I can't believe I just burned you out, if you hadn't been pulling so hard, trying to beat me, we could have had a nice ride together."

Sometimes, I just want to be alone, and I assume others do to. Always, always, ask before you sit on for any period (longer than it would take to pass); and never grab a wheel that passes you without asking first. It's just rude.
Jul 8, 2002 6:56 AM
i ride by myself about 90% of the time out of neccesity. Riding with people takes way too much time--my lazy single freinds are usually still sleeping while I'm on mile 40 of my ride. i don't mind someone sitting in for a minute or two but i hate when someone just sits in for long periods and will usually slow down to let them pass or if that doesn't work i can always spit.