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Am I nuts?(18 posts)

Am I nuts?RCole
Jul 4, 2002 8:35 AM
Been a mountain biker for about 13 years but decided last year to switch to the road. I've always been interested in compact frames. After some intensive research I narrowed my search for my 1st road bike to a Litespeed Vortex (2001) and Merlin Agilis (2001). I picked the Vortex. Did so because I thought I got a killer deal. So it's been a year, the bike's been great (although I don't have a point of reference) but I'm feeling a little buyers remorse. I still like the Merlin compact frame and the fact that the Merlin's are a little more unique. Do you think I'm nuts for entertaining the thought of selling the Vortex frame and getting the Agilis or XL Compact? -thanks
Yeah, but aren't we all?Matno
Jul 4, 2002 8:48 AM
Buyer's remorse is the name of the game when it comes to buying changing/competing technology. I don't know anything about either of those frames other than that they are good quality and probably not that different from each other. If the bike you have is "great" why bother? At the price of those frames, switching just for the sake of switching gets to be a little more nuts than it would be with cheaper frames...
Probably obsessive-compulsiveAllisonHayes
Jul 4, 2002 10:36 AM
join the club and get over it! :)
re: Am I nuts?Roadfrog
Jul 4, 2002 10:47 AM
Please stay nuts and sell me your Vortex for... shall we say... $200?
re: Am I nuts?RCole
Jul 4, 2002 11:08 AM
Add another zero and you may have a deal. I'll include a king headset and Ouzo Pro fork too!
re: Am I nuts?Roadfrog
Jul 4, 2002 2:34 PM
I would really love to but I just bought another bike a few weeks ago. I am already in the doghouse with the wife as it is. Seriously, I would think hard about selling that ride. A bike like that is just a dream for some of us. Good luck, keep riding! HOP
Jul 4, 2002 11:59 AM
On a more serious note, what do you really think these bikes can offer over the Vortex. If you don't like the feel of the Vortex or have ridden the others and like their feel better (same wheels/tires/tire pressure/saddle, same components or the comparisons are pretty meaningless), then switch. Otherwise, a compact frame offers NOTHING by way of performance improvement over a conventional frame. The Vortex, despite the "magic mojo" claims for other bikes, has the most advanced alloy and the most advanced tube shaping of any bike on the road. Not saying the other bikes aren't good ones, just saying that they have nothing over the Vortex. Admittedly biased ('98 Vortex rider) I watch the bike frame discussion closely. Were my bike stolen/trashed today, I would order another Vortex tomorrow - there simply is not another frame that offers more.
but the Vortex may soon be "outdated"ET
Jul 5, 2002 4:00 AM
According to the latest issue of Cycling Plus, Reynolds is near to producing seamless mandrel-butted 6Al-4V. All you Vortex owners out there simply will have no choice but to upgrade to the latest and greatest. :-)
so much for a "lifetime" bikeColnagoFE
Jul 5, 2002 6:50 AM
I love how many people justify their TI purchase as "the last bike they will ever buy" and 3 years later are trading it in on a newer model.
Bursting your bubble.Juanmoretime
Jul 4, 2002 2:42 PM
There is nothing special about the Merlin. Plus Merlin was bought by American Bicycle Company which alson owns Litespeed. You would just have a horse of a different color. This is not a Litespeed bash, I own one and love it. I also just bought a Dean El Diente. I'm keeping both, just like a wife and a girlfriend!
make the argumentDougSloan
Jul 4, 2002 8:33 PM
Come on, if you really want it, convince us. So far, it's a little weak ("a little more unique"?). Rationalize away...

Doug :-)
somebody talk me into a c-40....ColnagoFE
Jul 5, 2002 6:53 AM
It's pretty much the only bike I stil lust after. My Master XL is perfect in every way, but damned if I don't still lust after a C-40...not to replace the Master, but as an alternative. I'm sure as soon as I bought one they would come out with a new model that I'd have to have as well. on another note--Don't you think that COlnago is due for a replacement for the C-40? How long have they had that design anyway? The carbanissimo doesn't do it for me...neither does the ferrarri c-15.
What would you change?DougSloan
Jul 5, 2002 6:57 AM
I can' think of anything I'd change on the C40. While not the lightest frame, it is around the top 10%, I'd say. It is comfortable (as any racing bike can be), incredibly stiff in in the bb, and has lots of paint schemes available.

Maybe if you could get an aero downtube and have the same weight, that might be good.

If you could quickly and cheaply get them custom sized, I suppose that would be an improvement. Cheaper would be better.

aero might make custom sizing more difficultColnagoFE
Jul 5, 2002 8:20 AM
I understand that that is one of the big selling points of the C-40 for pros....that it can be made custom pretty easy. Improvements? Can't think of many either other than getting them made truly custom for the masses with mix and match tubes for tuning the ride, geometry and size. Maybe 1 1/8 headtube assuming that becomes standard? That's about all I can think of. I suppose if they find some way to use some wonder metal in the CF mix you could lighten the tubes further with the same stiffness...but I'm guessing the physics of it preclude a luch lighter bike than it already is.
re: Am I nuts?Natchez
Jul 5, 2002 9:43 PM
What Size is your Vortex I want one
re: Am I nuts?RCole
Jul 6, 2002 4:11 PM
57 cm, standard geometry (56.5 top tube) Reply here if you're interested and we'll connect.
re: Am I nuts?Natchez
Jul 6, 2002 8:56 PM
Thats my size, I am interested.
Lets talk
re: Am I nuts?Natchez
Jul 6, 2002 9:09 PM
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