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Right turn signal -- left arm or right? A survey of sorts:(19 posts)

Right turn signal -- left arm or right? A survey of sorts:bill
Jul 3, 2002 12:15 PM
The proper signal (or, the signal that I always was taught was proper) is to signal a right turn with your left arm, upper arm extended perpindicularly sideways, lower arm/hand pointing to the sky. Many cyclists, however, including experienced cyclists, point right with their right hands, arguing that no one, neither other riders nor automobile drivers, except a couple of old fogie bike riders know what the left hand, hand up signal means anymore. Reasoning that the only effective signal is the one that's both seen and understood, I'm unsure of which to use. If you're a driver, you can't really see the right arm extended, but the proper signal ain't worth much if you don't understand what it means.
Discuss.
California shows both in the drivers handbook -nmSnowBlind
Jul 3, 2002 12:16 PM
Right (nm)Dave Hickey
Jul 3, 2002 12:17 PM
re: Right turn signal -- left arm or right? A survey of sorts:Akirasho
Jul 3, 2002 12:25 PM
... in Ohio, the code has been revised to allow cyclists (and motorcyclists) to signal right turns with the right... which is what I do...

§ 4511.40 Hand and arm signals.
(A) Except as provided in division (B) of this section, all signals required by sections 4511.01 to 4511.78 of the Revised Code, when given by hand and arm, shall be given from the left side of the vehicle in the following manner, and such signals shall indicate as follows:

(1) Left turn, hand and arm extended horizontally;

(2) Right turn, hand and arm extended upward;

(3) Stop or decrease speed, hand and arm extended downward.

(B) As an alternative to division (A)(2) of this section, a person operating a bicycle may give a right turn signal by extending the right hand and arm horizontally and to the right side of the bicycle.

Comment: The right-arm turn signal described in (B) above is more easily understood


http://www.ohiobike.org/Bicycle_Law_Digest.html

We abide.

Remain In Light.
motorcyclesDougSloan
Jul 3, 2002 1:31 PM
Yes, on a motorcycle, you generally don't want to remove your right hand - brake lever and throttle.

Doug
Right hand, because...Slowclimber
Jul 3, 2002 12:27 PM
When following a vehicle (fast or slow moving) the signal always comes from the side of the vehicle that it is going to turn towards. Right turn/right side, left turn/left side.

By having all signals coming from one side it could confuse those that don't know the difference and they may think you are going to turn left even though you are signaling a right hand turn.

So I point in the direction that I'm going to turn.
re: Point to the right with right arm extended - nmdzrider
Jul 3, 2002 12:39 PM
Old fogie? I'm 30...off roadie
Jul 3, 2002 12:39 PM
And I know what that means. Maybe I'm just a freak who actually remebers stuff like drivers ed.

OK, so I'm 31, my birthday was last week. Still doesn't make me an old fogie.
it's in the driver's manual.....salmonwheel
Jul 3, 2002 3:21 PM
for most states right next to all the other stuff nobody reads or has even looked at. I'm not sure if one is better than the other, but why are conventions and rules associated with driving so easily tossed aside. If it's the rule then everyone should know it.

I use my left arm as described above, but I also stop at stop signs in my car, don't use the center lane as a merging lane, and have even been known to follow the speed limit on occasion.

By the way what are those blinking lights on each side of the rear of cars for;)
re: Right turn signal -- left arm or right? A survey of sorts:brider
Jul 3, 2002 1:15 PM
The left-arm signal is a hold-over from hand signals from a car window (can't reach the right side of the car to make the right-arm signal). How I do it, though, is different.

Right hand for a lane change to the right (hey, it happens some times), or when riding in the center of the traffic lane (as in city streets). For general riding, when I'm on the right side of the lane, I use the left arm signal.
right arm rightDougSloan
Jul 3, 2002 1:27 PM
Both are legal here. To me, the right arm right is less ambiguous. The left arm up is for cars, as using your right arm would smack your passenger in the face (and not be seen outside the car).

Doug
signal with left armtheBreeze
Jul 3, 2002 3:14 PM
I'm not convinced that a driver on my left can see my right arm. Given the rash of car/bike altercations posted here lately they probably don't even see ME. But that was the method I grew up with, and habit by now.

BTW, my husband is turning into one of those drivers who think that we are all evolving into telepathic beings, namely that turning signals are optional. Drives me crazy riding with him. I have threatend to sit in the seat just behind him and stick my arm out the window to signal if he doesn't shape up!
Right arm to turn right...dsc
Jul 3, 2002 4:44 PM
...left arm up is for cars, as you couldn't see the right arm signal (inside the car).
RIGHT. No question.jtolleson
Jul 3, 2002 4:49 PM
I don't need some 16-year-old thinking I'm just waving at someone, so I point with that right hand on a straight arm.

No need to risk misunderstanding.
In the UK it's the other way roundMickEcho5
Jul 3, 2002 6:46 PM
We drive on the left so when cycling I have control of the left turn at all times so only when turning right do I "indicate". As a professional driver and ex-cycle courier I can see both sides of the issue. I find as a cyclist knowing what a driver sees, the best and most effective signal is to extend the right arm fully and POINT to where you want to go assertively, then go there immediately. Drivers will appreciate your decisiveness. If you dither the driver will try and go past you, dismissing you as a fool. That's where the crashes take place. Based on this theory I have only nearly died once on the road as a cyclist.
KISSBreakfast
Jul 3, 2002 8:30 PM
Keep it simple, stupid!

Those soccer moms talking on the cell phone can't process a left arm trying to indicate a right turn.

Just point where you're going!

You've got to dumb down communication to the basics for idiot motorists.
right arm with emphasisDaveG
Jul 4, 2002 3:57 AM
I don't care what the "correct" Driver's Manual method is, many folks will not understand that and could mistake it for a wave, stretch, etc. If if makes you feel better that you were "correct" in using the left while you recover in the hospital after the collision, then go for it. When I make a turn, I tend to point with emphasis, sort of like a baseball umpire calling a strike, to make sure there is no ambiguity.
Problem with right armHENRY K
Jul 4, 2002 7:56 PM
Anybody get nervous with only their left hand on the FRONT BRAKE when they are signaling with the right hand?

I do. Don't like to flip over. Been there-done that- no fun!
front brake / not big dealDougSloan
Jul 5, 2002 5:15 AM
I have the right lever doing the front brake on every bike. To me, since I'm right handed, I have the power where it's needed. It just seems more natural to me (maybe holdover from motorcycle days).

I think this right turn issue really isn't a big deal. After all, how often will someone not understanding or seeing your right turn signal cause a problem? In left turns, you are potentially crossing traffic -- no so turning right (some lane changes, maybe).

Doug