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ASSUME THE POSITION!!!(25 posts)

ASSUME THE POSITION!!!Akirasho
Jul 3, 2002 10:46 AM
Abraham Olano's TT bike... At least there should be little fear of someone stealing it by riding off...

http://psycle-therapy.great-ride.com/images/Olano%20Web%20TT%2003.jpg
coolDougSloan
Jul 3, 2002 10:48 AM
I'd like to try one with that low a position, for about 5 minutes.

Doug
how 'bout 24hr? nmcyclopathic
Jul 3, 2002 11:07 AM
nopeDougSloan
Jul 3, 2002 11:10 AM
Don't think so. I think my face would be lying on the front tire from neck fatigue.

Better have good low back flexibility, too.

Maybe Olano just has really long humerouseseses.

Doug
I rode once into headwindcyclopathic
Jul 3, 2002 11:47 AM
for 8hr alone on aerobars. I was seriously thinking about face stand and projection mirror. Half time I had my left arm supporting head, with elbow on handlebar. Can imagine what RAAM dudes go through.

BTW the friend of mine rode BMB on TT bike, he complained about stiff neck after ;)
aerobarsDougSloan
Jul 3, 2002 11:54 AM
I've done several hundred miles on aerobars with no problem. To me, it's much more comfy than on standard handlebars.

The issue is how low the aerobars are, particularly the forearm rest pads. The RAAM dudes tend to set them very high, maybe even higher than the saddle. For them, it's not an aero issue, but comfort. They contend that "aerodynamics does not win RAAM, comfort does."

For one or two day rides, this isn't too much of a problem unless they get really low. When the pads start getting around 3-4 inches below the saddle, the neck strains, even if everything else is ok. Then you end up squirming around on the bike so much you sort of negate the aero advantage.

Doug
How many gears are most of these guys runnin'?No_sprint
Jul 3, 2002 10:52 AM
3 or 4 x 2?
... that's reported to be a 55T ring up front...Akirasho
Jul 3, 2002 11:12 AM
and looks like a very tight straight block (9/10 ?) in back.

One of the nicest things about a 9 or 10 speed cluster in back is the smooth transitions for time trialists.. butta.

We abide.

Remain In Light.
well I have a 56DougSloan
Jul 3, 2002 11:21 AM
I have a 56 up front right now on the TT bike, combined with an 11-23 in back. I'll admit, though, that I only did this for my top speed tests a month ago. The gears were much tighter with a 54/42 in front and the 12-21 in back -- the best shifting bike I've every ridden (DA w/ bar end shifters).

Doug
... according to Analytic Cycling...Akirasho
Jul 3, 2002 11:50 AM
... if I can maintain a cadence of 90 with my 56/11... I'll be cruising at 35.53 mph.

http://www.analyticcycling.com/GearSpeedCadence_Page.html (if you use this site, make sure you indicate YOUR wheel diameter (circumference (from your cyclecomputer) divided by Pi))

Now back to reality.

My cadence generally runs around 80... which gives me 32 mph.

Now back to reality part deux.

I don't stay on the 56/11 that much... more like 56/12 which gives me 29 mph.

Now back to reality part trois.

Can U say lactic acid???

Are you seeing a trend develop?

We abide.

Remain In Light.
yupDougSloan
Jul 3, 2002 11:56 AM
Those gears are reserved for descents and big tailwinds, both of which (even at the same time) you tend to find out here.

Doug
... that's reported to be a 55T ring up front...No_sprint
Jul 3, 2002 12:30 PM
Perhaps it's just me, however, to me that doesn't look like a full 9 or 10 gear stack in the back.

I don't really see a need in the Grand tours for a full 9x2 or 10x2 on the flat TTs. It never looks to me like those guys are starting in the small ring in the front either. They look to shave every gram and gain every millisecond in aerodynamics, I'd think they would custom gear each particular time trial and build the bike accordingly using the least amount of rings and spockets as they can.
... short stack???Akirasho
Jul 3, 2002 12:46 PM
... a straight block is very compact... and looks just like that (though you may be right)... and as I stated above, the benefit of such is a buttery smooth transition (which saves energy)

I agree to a point on the X2 front... perhaps this was just a photo op... course, depending on the course (not all TT's are either flat or mountainous at the Pro level... some are a combination) a rider might find a need for that inner ring to maintain their cadence and rhythym. Generally, riders discover their best leadout gears and start from there... rarely starting on the inner ring unless conditions dictate (once rode into a 20 mph headwind on the start and had no choice).

Locally, some riders despense with the inner altogether on flat courses... a small gram savings. TT's are sometimes more about the aerodynamics (as your speed increases, the amount of energy needed to displace air rises exponentially) than absolute weight... given the right courses and conditions, I'll take aero over a few grams (save for rotational grams) anytime.

We abide.

Remain In Light.
I'd retire too if I had to ride that nmPdxMark
Jul 3, 2002 11:58 AM
How much time per dollar could you shave off your TT,STEELYeyed
Jul 3, 2002 1:08 PM
with a high $ fully loaded TT bike as opposed to a road bike,maybe $100/second?
... I'll get back to you...Akirasho
Jul 3, 2002 1:17 PM
...whips out the "UNOBTANIUM" card...

... actually, heavier and cheaper than my most high zoot road only machine... but fast over the right course.

We abide.

Remain In Light.
Are they really as stiff as they say?hayaku
Jul 4, 2002 1:12 AM
On their web site they claim to be super stiff. I can't check any out here in Japan so I would have to purchase on faith. I'm interested in the soloist.
That is really a beautiful bike you have, you must be so proud.
M.
Are they really as stiff as they say?Akirasho
Jul 4, 2002 3:36 AM
... I can't say whether or not it's Super Stiff but it's stiff enuff.

Since it's used for Time Trials, stiffness was not a dominant factor (aside from your initial windup, you're not torquing the frame per se). Still I'd suspect that with the bladed downtube, it has good overall lateral stiffness (good tube junction at the BB). Since the Soloist uses a very similar but compact front triangle tubeset, they probably share this trait. By comparision however, my initial TT bike was an old Cannondale R2.8 frame http://psycle-therapy.great-ride.com/Cannondale%20R%20Series%20Habu%20Color%20Balanced%20and%20Web%20Enhanced%2001.jpg running Spinergy Spox wheels (not the most aero, but takes a bit of the sting out). The P2K is more comfortable while on the aeros with the HED Stinger (170 psi) wheelset over the same course (some rough stuff in places). The old R2.8s are about as stiff as it gets. I'm a larger rider.

The only caveate is the paint job... it's beautiful... but seems to chip easily. I know that Cervelo was aware of the problem, but I don't know if it's been resolved on their latest products (this bike is two years old).

Too bad you can't try before you buy... but FWIW, I essentially did the same thing! The nearest Cervelo dealer was 80 miles away (bet yours is further)... I ordered one and crossed my fingers (thanks to the folks at Tri Tech http://www.tritechmultisport.com/ in Columbus, OH)... with a few mods, it is sweet.

Cervelo Guru Gerard Vroomen often frequents and answers questions on this "unoffical" Cervelo BBS. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cervelo/?yguid=72709067 You can generally get a response fairly quickly here (once you join).

BTW... and this is subjective, I recently saw an '02 P2K on the road in blue... it's noticably slower...

We abide.

Remain In Light.
holly crapafrican
Jul 3, 2002 2:42 PM
What races do you ride that in, must say though I prefer my disc to yours. Very nice set up, nice bars and stem.
holly crap? i think i went to high school w/her! (nm)merckx56
Jul 3, 2002 3:03 PM
holly crapAkirasho
Jul 3, 2002 6:24 PM
... fundamentally, a time trial machine.

I've got wheel options, but this is generally how I like it for flat to rolling...

http://psycle-therapy.great-ride.com/my_rides_photons.htm

BTW, I was with Holly and one of her girlfriends a couple nights ago... phreakin'!!!

We abide.

Remain In Light.
it's a rebadged rivendell.. nmcolker
Jul 3, 2002 5:52 PM
nm
Bought the mag you stole it fromMickEcho5
Jul 3, 2002 6:52 PM
Cycle Sport June issue.
... actually, it is the July issue...Akirasho
Jul 4, 2002 4:11 AM
... guess I shoulda acknowledged my source...

We abide.

Remain In Light.
Neat little rotation arrows on the front disk! hmmm? (nm)yfoiler
Jul 4, 2002 10:37 AM