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three cheers for the City of London Police(17 posts)

three cheers for the City of London PoliceMJ
Jul 3, 2002 10:37 AM
on my way home this evening from work in wet London - I was going around a round about - sort of an intersection without lights where traffic has to yield to oncoming traffic on the right

there's one round about at the end of London Wall (near the Museum of London) that I've always been scared of as two lanes of traffic pull into the round about

this evening a distinguished looking older gentleman in a nice car pulled out in front of me without looking - I shouted as he pulled into my path and braked hard - worried I would go down as it was raining - he didn't even touch his brakes or look up

I pulled up next to him 100 yards up the road in the long line of traffic and knocked on his passenger side window - I didn't swear, and ony knowcked but I did tell him he almost hit me and didn't even see me - he shouted something at me (which I interepreted as swearing - but couldn't hear him - he had a nice car like I said) but wouldn't put down the window - I rolled around to the driver side and repeated the process - he ignored me then shouted behind his glass

before the light changed I put my bike in front of his car and he edged forward into me - he honked - I indicated that we should call the Police - as he kept edging into me I moved out of the way and let him go

I followed him as he drove in circles trying to lose me at Smithfield Market - I knew it was a matter of time before I saw a cop on foot - sure enough on our third lap of the market there were two cops walking their beat - I shouted for them to stop the car and called out the vehicle registration number - he circled again and they stopped him the next time around

I pulled over an explained what had happened (my story) to one of the cops - I said all I wanted was for them to tell the guy that he had to pay attention and watch for cyclists - she said that she rides too and is familiar with the problems - she confirmed she and her partner would talk to the guy and detain him for a while

fantastic stuff from the City of London Police - sometimes things work out well - maybe next time the guy will think twice about doing somethig stupid to a cyclist in heavy traffic - next time the cyclist may not be as nice and passive as I was...
re: three cheers for the City of London PoliceAkirasho
Jul 3, 2002 10:51 AM
... congratz on a successful intervention... in the States, such a "conversation" could end up with you adorning said nice vehicle as a hood ornament... or a bullet... sad but true. Choose your battles carefully... win the "war".

We abide.

Remain In Light.
Oh please.SnowBlind
Jul 3, 2002 12:15 PM
Get off the "gun" and "bullet" rants. How many cyclist's get shot by car owners?
They can run you over and stand a good chance getting away with it. They would get life if they used a gun.
In fact, the only hostile people I have ever met were pedestrians on bikes (not cyclists).
One broke my nose for calling out "On your left". The other shouted nasty names because I refused to pass on the right after he moved to the left (on a MUT) to let me pass.
Never ride on a MUT on Sundays. Too many pedestrians on bikes.
Jul 3, 2002 12:36 PM
... it was not meant to be a blanket statement, however, it has and can happen...

Indeed, one thing to keep in mind... I used to work in a major metro ER... and sometimes, we would received several gun shot wounds per day (as well as other injuries caused by human aggressions)... basically, the only ones that made the news were the fatalities... which kinda skewed the numbers for the general public.

Also, much would depend on where you're at... to get home, I sometimes ride through some of the most crime ridden areas of my town... and statistically speaking (as well as common sense) a good many vehicles I pass have occupants who are packin' heat (and would have little problems blowin' my arse away just because, as to steal my bike... or as a matter of "road rage") which is why I suggested that you choose your battles carefully.

Lastly, I don't rant... ranting would involve lengthy responses to posts that disagreed with my POV...

We abide.

Remain In Light.
Well there was this onebikedodger
Jul 3, 2002 2:32 PM
Man guilty in road-rage slaying
Life sentence expected in cyclist's death
By Howard Pankratz
Denver Post Legal Affairs Writer

Saturday, March 16, 2002 - A Denver jury deliberated just 90 minutes Friday before finding a motorist guilty of gunning down a bicyclist in a case called a road-rage wake-up call.

James W. Hall is led from the courtroom in handcuffs Friday after being found guilty in the shooting death of John Bray in May 2000. Witnesses said that after Bray swerved his bicycle around Hall's pickup truck, Hall pursued and then shot him at close range.
"What used to be fistfights are people now pulling guns on each other," prosecutor Mike Pellow said.

Jurors convicted James W. Hall of first-degree murder for the May 5, 2000, point-blank shooting of John Bray. Sentencing is set for May 24; first-degree murder carries a mandatory life sentence without parole.

Hall, a 53-year-old former helicopter crew chief who served Hallthree combat tours in Vietnam, chewed on one of his fingers as the verdict was read.

His daughter, Precious Holmes, yelled obscenities as the jury returned to the jury room. She was helped from the courtroom by friends and sheriff's deputies.

Pellow said the quick decision sent a strong message that society doesn't tolerate road rage. He said the case itself should serve as a wake-up call about the dangers of uncontrolled anger on streets and highways.

Bray's parents, John and Geraldine Bray, and brother, Jason, were in the courtroom.

"We are very, very pleased with the verdict. I know families on both sides have suffered a lot," the elder Bray said.

Pellow praised Richard "Dick" Tracy, the security coordinator for Colorado Springs School District 11. Tracy saw an angry Hall cut his pickup in front of Bray's bicycle and force Bray, 32, to the ground in the 900 block of Broadway.

He said Hall walked briskly from his truck, went up to Bray and said, "What is your problem?" Hall then walked back to the truck, retrieved a .25-caliber semiautomatic from behind the front seat, walked back to Bray and shot him. The gun was just 12 inches from Bray's chest, Tracy said.

Tracy chased Hall's pickup after the shooting. Using a cellphone, he was able to give police a description of Hall's truck, its license number and the type of gun used in the shooting.

Pellow and Tom Carberry, one of Hall's defense lawyers, painted widely divergent views of the incident during the four-day trial. But both agreed it began when Bray and Hall encountered each other at 10th Avenue and Broadway about 2 p.m. on a beautiful spring day.

Hall, who was trying to turn from 10th south onto Broadway, had pulled into the crosswalk as he waited for the light to turn green. Bray, riding his bike in the crosswalk, swerved around Hall. Hall then turned onto Broadway and sped after Bray.

Carberry claimed that Bray was the aggressor, swinging his bicycle around Hall in a way that made it appear Bray was "having fun" and yelling "stuff" back at Hall. But eyewitnesses said they didn't hear Bray say anything to Hall.

The key witness for the defense was psychologist Don Receveur. He said Hall suffers from acute post-traumatic stress syndrome as due to his three tours in Vietnam.

Receveur said Hall saw heavy action. At times he would load and unload the bodies of dead Americans onto his helicopter. He said Hall also saw the pilot of one of his helicopters killed by gunfire.

Receveur said that among the many byproducts of Hall's post-traumatic stress disorder are the inability to sleep, hearing voices, depression, flashbacks and dreams about Vietnam and anger.

"Anger is one of the most common symptoms" of post-traumatic stress disorder, Receveur said.
A tragic story to be sure, but justice served. nmLeisure
Jul 3, 2002 11:39 PM
Huh. I guess you missed my post last december, eh bud?Ahimsa
Jul 3, 2002 3:28 PM
I'll refresh your memory briefly.

I left my house for a quick ride at night. This attracted the attention of a pick up driving hillbilly with a vendetta to decide that I would do for revenge against "some guy who slashed his wifes tires."

After this redneck failed to run me down and kill me, he exited the vehicle behind me as I ditched my ride, and came out of the truck with a rifle.

I would say that luck, speed, and knowledge of the area, were all that kept me from getting shot to death in the back for no reason at all. were saying?

re: three cheers for the City of London PoliceRavik
Jul 3, 2002 10:54 AM
Ah, justice is served.
Alas, all he'll probably learn from this is to pick his prey more carefully.
A few years ago, while riding just north of Boston near Marblehead, I was knocked off my bike by an old gent in a baby blue Caddy. He didn't slow down, speed up or even - apparantly - notice me. He just kept driving.
I was furious (and unscathed but for some grass tuftingout the front of my helmet).
Long story short, I check myself and the bike out, rode home, called the local cops and gave him the guy's plate.
The cop says to me, "Oh, that's old Mr (whatever it was). He's had some problems before. Want us to talk to him?"
Turns out he was 85 years old, nearly blind but still driving. I didn't have the heart to make a big issue out of it. Hopefully he never killed anyone.
It was the cop's attitude that slayed me.
"Do you want us to talk to him?"
Good for youCrankist
Jul 3, 2002 12:32 PM
but "nice and passive"? I don't think so:) Anyway he sounds
lucky you didn't actually run into him.
re: three cheers for the City of London Police-SICKMickEcho5
Jul 3, 2002 7:01 PM
They are the worst for punishing cyclists for the slightest misdemeanour. The same offence in the Metropolitan Police's area of London is either ignored or just given a warning. You obviously met a freak. They took me to court for just for two red light jumps. They are a force with to many officers and not enough crimes subsidised by big businesses.
re: three cheers for the City of London Police-SICKMJ
Jul 4, 2002 12:14 AM
that's funny - I've actually had two verbal warnings from City of London Police for running lights (after midnight - no cars coming) - they've always been sweetness and light with me (and no I'm not in a suit on a Brompton)

in fact last year a black cab made an attempt on my life and the City of London cop who dealt with the matter was also a cyclist - he told me the week before he had chased someone down on his commute home with his warrant card after they almost took him out

then again maybe the one I dealt with yesterday is a freak - we need more like her!
re: three cheers for the City of London Police-SICKscruffyduncan
Jul 4, 2002 6:45 AM
I know that roundabout well, I was knocked off there myself. It is good to get an understanding policeman, I fear they are often of the opinion that cyclists cause accidents.

On the topic of roundabouts, do you know that 11% of accidents involving cyclists happen on or near them?
I can believe it....muncher
Jul 4, 2002 6:55 AM
I have to take in 2 on my commute - the best yet was a woman (coincidentally I'm sure) leaving on the wrong side of the exit lane/bollards - right into the oncoming traffic. All you could see around were little "O"s of gawping open mouths through windscreens.

The bit I like best is when you make eye contact, the guy pulls out anyway, right in front of you, then clutches the wheel white knuckled, sets his jaw, and stares straight ahead at all costs pretending that if he doesn't look your way again, it didn't actually happen. See it almost daily - Amazing.....
"clutches the wheel white knuckled, sets his jaw, and stares.."nova
Jul 4, 2002 7:42 AM
So true! What is this about? "Umm, I see the person on the bike coming... they have the right of way.... but I'm superior damn it! I'm in a CAR! I wait for no man...."

Car culture. It stinks.
re: three cheers for the City of London Police-SICKMJ
Jul 4, 2002 7:27 AM
I get that roundabout twice a day - I find the two lanes entering the roundabout from London Wall and the two lanes entering from under the Clifford Chance office equally terrifying - it's a lesson in holding your line but remaining aware and ready to bail - you're at their mercy when you're in front of them like that - and like Muncher said eye contact only provides an unwarranted sense of security
re: three cheers for the City of London Police-SICKscruffyduncan
Jul 4, 2002 7:56 AM
somehow the traffic coming from under clifford chance is scarier, I really think they blast out of that "tunnel" without a look to the rigt. At least that's what the guy who took me out did

London Wall's a good drag strip though, smooth and flat.
Jul 4, 2002 8:17 AM
I think you should probably be careful using phrases like "London Wall's a good drag strip" in an international forum - could be misinterpreted as having overtones of a certain type of bar.

Time for me to get out of the office perhaps....