|Virenque still = ass||gregario|
Jul 3, 2002 3:56 AM
|On a French chat show Spotted Dick was asked if he could win the Tour while doped without getting caught. He said "Yes." The show was taped and not live and he asked that part be edited out and he started changing his tune. Argh.|
|Why does that make him an ass?||Wayne|
Jul 3, 2002 4:17 AM
|It seems more of an indictment of the current ability of the drug tests to detect dopers. If anything, it implies he's not been doping since he's not been a GC contender since the Festina days. Or do you mean he's an ass because he wanted them to edit it out? That's understandable, he probably spoke without thinking, and he doesn't want his sport of cycling to look bad (i.e. they're not capable of stopping doping).|
|Hello in there Wayne...is the sky blue in your world?||EJC|
Jul 3, 2002 4:22 AM
|Virenque has always been quite an outspoken gent, and he is an arrogant outspoken chap to boot.
It seems that his statement should not have been made REGARDLESS of the background questions or reasons given his history and the current state of dope and cycling.
|Well he did finish on the podium...||Wayne|
Jul 3, 2002 4:47 AM
|when he was doping! So maybe it's not such an arrogant statement, but yes clearly an ill-advised statement. Funny, at least now here in the states how baseball and tennis are starting to get hammered on the drug testing issue. How long before we find out the Williams sisters have been on the juice for the last 5 years! (I only say that because one of them came out against random out-of-competition testing, and well if there's any women in tennis who look like they take steroids it would be those two, but for all I know they're perfectly clean).|
|LOL! I agree!||EJC|
Jul 3, 2002 5:00 AM
|If there were ever any contemporary athletes who look doped up on 'roids, it is the sisters! It reminds me a bit of the Chinese women swimmers in the '76 Montreal Summer Olympics. They were practically growing mustaches!
Either make evryone take dope and level the playing field, or have two different divisions; doped and non-doped.
|Why does that make him an ass?||TJeanloz|
Jul 3, 2002 4:29 AM
|I think the question was loaded to imply that Armstrong could be getting away with doping- but that's just what I read into it.|
|Oh, I forgot the world revolves around..||Wayne|
Jul 3, 2002 4:50 AM
|Armstrong in many US fans eyes (not implying that's the case for you). I don't know, I don't see anything in that implying Armstrong is doping but rather that if you want to take your chance doping is still possible and your chance of being detected fairly small.|
|The world revolves around the defending champion...||TJeanloz|
Jul 3, 2002 4:54 AM
|The world of the Tour de France certainly does revolve around its three time defending champion. When the question is asked: "Could you win the Tour and be doping?" it can't possibly actually be directed at Virenque, because we KNOW that even with doping, Virenque can't win the race- he's already tried that.
So the implied question is: "Is it likely that the current, and recent former, champions have been doping and not been caught?"
|Yes, I see what you're saying...||Wayne|
Jul 3, 2002 5:04 AM
|from the original post it sounded like the question was could you (Tricky Dick) win the tour while taking dope and not get caught, but you're probably right as to what the actual question was/implied.
BTW, I doubt Armstrong is doping. Afterall, the only one of the common ones (corticosteroids, anabolic steroids, GH, insulin) that is known to have a demonstrable effect on edurance performance is EPO. If Armstrong is hauling an altitude tent around with him, then he's at least boosting his red blood cells the hardway (and naturally)! Does anyone know if other riders are now doing this?
|Okay, a clarification||gregario|
Jul 3, 2002 5:27 AM
|it's obvious after re-reading my post that my point was muddled. Virenque was asked if he could win the Tour while being doped and not get caught, would he do it. He was not asked IF he could win the Tour, only if he would dope to (possibly) win and not get caught.
I called him an ass because he obviously hasn't learned any lesson about cheating, apparently has no moral compass in that arena and only thinks about himself and not of the sport in general.
|Amazing, all the interpretations...||Wayne|
Jul 3, 2002 5:41 AM
|of the question from your original post were wrong! Yes, perhaps that does make him an ass (although if he doped and won the tour but was never caught, then it wouldn't reflect negatively on the sport, just on his own moral weakness).|
|yeah, my bad||gregario|
Jul 3, 2002 5:48 AM
|I couldn't figure out why you defended him until I re-read my post. I didn't put it very clearly. See the Procycling website for more info.|
Jul 3, 2002 5:49 AM
|I went on an Andy Hampsten bike tour a couple of years ago. He's about the nicest guy you'd ever meet. We were asking him about cycling stars and someone mentioned Virenque. He thought for a minute or so and all he came up with is "Richard's not a very nice guy".|| |