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Are these Ebay wheels OK?(13 posts)

Are these Ebay wheels OK?filtersweep
Jul 1, 2002 2:50 PM
To protect the innocent, until I fully attempt to resolve the situation... and to get a second or third or fourth opinion...

I purchased a set of Velomax Ascent Comp wheels on ebay- got a "great deal" and was told they were in very good condition, and that nothing was wrong with them.

Unfortunately, they are in rough shape. And, it appears the spoke nipples are cracking the rims... all over the place.

Is it a reasonable expectation that this be disclosed prior to purchase. I am attempting to resolve this issue with the seller... so I'm not whining too much.... yet!

Finally, my old wheels barely have a scratch on them- at thousands of miles. I don't quite get it.
re: Are these Ebay wheels OK?filtersweep
Jul 1, 2002 3:37 PM
34 views and not one reply?

Hey, I'm just trying to contact the seller, say that I'll cover shipping both ways, you get your wheels back, I get my money back... a good-faith refund, rather than resorting to bad feedback, bad vibes, etc...

OR- do these cracks in the rims mean nothing? Am I being too anal, too picky?
i wouldn't ride them...PeterRider
Jul 1, 2002 3:59 PM
your proposition to the seller is very nice, I hope it will work out well. Most likely (well, maybe I trust people too much... but so far I only had good experience with ebay) the guy didn't examine the wheel close enough and see the cracks.

Pierre
that's funny...filtersweep
Jul 1, 2002 4:08 PM
... because they were the first thing I noticed.

Actually, the first thing I noticed was that the wheels were in a box with NO PADDING- bound together, so the spokes scratched up the rear hub quite a bit.

The next thing I noticed were the cracks.

Then I see what appear to be pliers marks on the spokes near the hubs (likely because the spokes are threaded.

Then there is the brake surface, which is in harsh shape.

And there is touch-up work done with a marker to the rim walls (sure it is just cosmetic).

I've sold a bunch of stuff on ebay, and am honest to a fault. I realize a description of condition is largely subjective, but this is a stretch. It should be noted that there were no closeup pics in the description.

I generally trust people and have had good experiences. I will see what happens. I don't mind paying shipping both ways... after all, I assume SOME risk in buying on ebay.

Also, I tracked down the seller's home phone number... in case this gets "interesting."
Unless the guygrandemamou
Jul 1, 2002 4:27 PM
is a total novice. I would tend to believe he knew they were there. While I don't examine my rims with a microscope, I do look at them whenever I do a thourough cleaning. Unless they were described as such, (damaged) I would want my money back.

I wouldn't ride them but thats up to you. Maybe you get a few thousand miles or maybe they fail in a few hundred. How lucky do you feel.
I called tonightfiltersweep
Jul 1, 2002 5:51 PM
...spoke with the daughter, who actually listed the auction. Situation seems optimistic. They do appear interested in making an earnest attempt to resolve things.

I do think I freaked her out just a bit, since they have no idea HOW I obtained their phone number (last name from email, combined with their address IF I sent a MO combined with 411.com).

On an unrelated note, to prove a point on a different forum where everyone has their own vanity site as part of their "signature," I showed how easy it is to find name, number, and address by doing a website registrar/whois lookup... we are not as anonymous as it may appear.
used to be you could get seller contact info from ebay (nm)JS Haiku Shop
Jul 3, 2002 4:49 AM
re: Are these Ebay wheels OK?RCole
Jul 1, 2002 5:06 PM
I've owned Velomax wheels and sold them with about 500 miles on them. First, they are a very durable wheel. - Yours look abused. Second, if I'm selling these wheels and asking good money for them, I would clean them as best as possible and pack them carefully. So, with the facts that you've given, I'd say this person played you. Give him ample time to respond in good faith, then slam him the best you can.
Seller says this is "normal" ?filtersweep
Jul 1, 2002 6:17 PM
OK- Is this "normal" for a rim without eyelets?

He actually is being very accommodating and will take a return, but he swears this is normal (right after saying he didn't notice anything when he was cleaning the wheels)...

any thought?
RE: Seller says this is "normal" ?african
Jul 1, 2002 6:32 PM
You are not happy, get the money back, end of story. Just say to him, look you are not happy you want a refund and he can resell them on ebay, if you offer to cover his ebay fees that might help.
Sure it's normalgrandemamou
Jul 2, 2002 4:49 AM
I've got a cracked Schwinn frame in my home shop. Wanna buy it? It's normal for stuff to break but that doesn't mean I should sell it on Ebay
re: Are these Ebay wheels OK?biggiecycles
Jul 2, 2002 11:25 AM
Far from OK.... That is what rims without eyelets will do when they are on their way to failing... spoke tension may have been too high or they may just have a lot of miles on them...

I have an old matrix ISO C-II in my garage that looks like that... you can have it for free if you want... i'm just too lazy to cut it up to fit in the garbage can...

Good luck... I wouldn't have even offered to pay shipping both ways..that is too generous IMO...
[[[ buyer beware ]]]JS Haiku Shop
Jul 3, 2002 4:52 AM
risk is inherent in ebay purchases. though i put a lengthy disclaimer on all my auctions (sale final, item as is, buy at your own risk, no warranties or guarantees expressed or implied, blah, blah, blah), i'd certainly state that the wheels had seen their better days. but, all in all, ebay's a crapshoot. you're quite lucky the seller is dealing with you after the fact, and you're not relegated to leaving negative feedback and sending unanswered e-mails.

good luck!!!