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Ready to splurge on high-end steel, Sachs or Spectrum?(11 posts)

Ready to splurge on high-end steel, Sachs or Spectrum?2_cheap
Jun 27, 2002 1:06 PM
I'm looking into either of these builders to make the last bike I'll ever want. I've ridden/owned every material and I'm still hooked on steel. Any other manufacturers you can suggest will also be appreciated, thanks. (NM)miposy
Jun 27, 2002 2:36 PM
re: Ready to splurge on high-end steel, Sachs or Spectrum?Avanti Guy
Jun 27, 2002 4:36 PM
Go get yourself some custom Italian Steel...Scapin bikes are one of the best steel bikes out there and will build you up a custom sizing.
sachs - no amount of money will buy betterSpirito
Jun 27, 2002 6:27 PM
unless you want to get some ornate fancy lugs and chromework but that doesn't make a better bike just heavier and more fussy as well as pricey.

a sachs is pure and has been honed to perfection. he probably has the most loyal and happy customers of any ive ever heard of. quality is superb and you'll not likely need a repaint for another 15+ years of regular use. your grankids will appreciate it.

still saving pennies for mine and it will be a pale blue one.
Sachs or Spectrum?SteveS
Jun 27, 2002 8:21 PM
Well, you are at the top of the heap with these two builders. I have a Spectrum and it is lovely, probably very little difference in either the welding or paint quality between the two. If you scan the Spectrum website, check out all the championships won on Spectrums, so it appears to me that Tom Kellogg has maybe a little more performance oriented edge. What I like about Sachs is that Richard Sachs does all the building himself, his lugs are prettier, and probably he is numero Uno amongst custom builders with his bikes being collector's items, in my opinion, whenever he retires. Have fun shopping, its a no-lose propsition with either of these two craftsmen.
Brian Baylis - beyond Sachs?unchained
Jun 27, 2002 8:37 PM
Baylis learned the trade @Masi USA when the were building some of the finest bikes in the world. Now he is.

Knows how to paint too. He paints for Moon.
Brian Baylis - beyond Sachs?DMoore
Jun 27, 2002 8:52 PM
An oft-forgotten link exists between Baylis and Richard Sachs. Years ago Brian used to paint for Sachs, but when he decided to move on he fixed Sachs up with an up-and-coming San Diego painter, Joe Bell. Sachs was reported to be sceptical at first, but eventually was sold on Brian's recommendation. JB got his start painting frames with Bill Holland, who also made gorgeous steel frames and is now clearly the best custom Ti frame builder around. Meanwhile, JB has become one the very best painters around, along with Baylis and Jim Cunningham.

We could spin another whole thread on the links between Masi California and the modern era builders. Brian Baylis, Jim Cunningham, Gian Simonetti, Mike Howard, Dave(?) Tesch, and others all passed through, although I'm not sure all of them were there at the same time as the legendary Mario Confente.
Brian Baylis - beyond Sachs?nelsonk
Jun 27, 2002 10:38 PM
DMoore, is your Bill Holland a ti bike. I've been looking at the Spectrum Ti, IF Crown Jewel Ti, and VaMoots. Couldn't find much info and any pic's on the Holland Ti. Would love some feedback on how it rides compared to your other steel bikes and maybe a picture of it.
Brian Baylis - beyond Sachs?DMoore
Jun 28, 2002 8:31 AM
Sorry, mine is an older steel Holland. Gorgeous workmanship, clean lugs, JB paint - it's a terrific bike but it's not Ti.

I've been to Holland's shop, and his Ti bikes are all over the Southern California Master's racing circuit. They look great and their owners love them. Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to ride one. I know that his Ti bikes are totally custom, so no two are the same in any event. Riding someone else's bike might not tell you much about how the bike built especially for you will ride. Bill has access to a wide variety of tubing, so he can make the frame do just about anything you want it to.
Top drawerDMoore
Jun 27, 2002 8:40 PM
You know your steel bikes! There are very few steel bike makers in this stratosphere. With that said, Brian Baylis, Richard Moon, Columbine, Bohemian, J.P. Weigle, and Glenn Erickson all deserve mention.

I have a Richard Sachs, a Brian Baylis and a Bill Holland in my assortment of bikes. Tom Kellogg was on my very short list when I got the Sachs Both Sachs and Spectrum tend toward the less ornate lugwork, as opposed to the more intricate output of Columbine and Moon, to specify a couple. Each of the above bikes is distinct, but each of the above makers is able to produce a marvelous bike.

I can't tell you how to choose -- you have to look at their work, decide who rings your bell the loudest, and go for it. I think a Richard Moon or Columbine is next on my list, but that's today. Tomorrow it might be another Sachs, or another Baylis, or...
re: Ready to splurge on high-end steel, Sachs or Spectrum?345
Jun 28, 2002 6:05 AM
You have what is known as a "high class problem". You will not go wrong either way. I have a Ti Spectrum and love it, but I got to see some of Tom's steel frames when visiting his "barn". Very nice if you like lugs. Having Tom fit you is a great benefit to going Spectrum.

At the same time, Sachs are some of the nicest frames I've ever seen. Unbelievable paint.

You will be a happy man.