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rude riders?MaRider
Jun 24, 2002 6:05 PM
Continuing with another stories of (strange?) people I meet out riding.

I am commuting back from work, trying to get home before it gets dark, therefore riding a little harder than normally.
I pass this guy on the bike going real slow. Next intersection, it turns out he sat on my wheel the whole time, without me noticing. I am not one of the people who hate when other riders suck off their wheels without asking or at least acknowledging, who cares?

I turn around to talk to him, but he looks the other way, even though it's obvious he saw that I turned around. Our eyes never met, so I never said anything.

Light changes, I keep riding, it's a long downhill so I try to maintain a decent tempo, for some reason I wanted to drop him. Now, I am merely riding a good tempo, as opposed to "leisurely" tempo, I am not racing him, and I often ride the same speed on that part of the course by myself. Nevertherless I drop him, but not by much, two traffic lights later he catches up to me again, just as the light changes. We keep riding and I can feel his presense behind me, so I stop pedalling and slow down to let him pass me (we are alone on a empty road, sort of a bikepath, so no traffic). As he lines up to me, I say "Hi there, how are you doing?" - trying to be friendly, yet he continues to look straight ahead, as if I don't exist. He passes me, but I line up next to him, look him in the eyes and say "Hello!". No answer, not even a nod, he keeps looking straight, as if he is pissed at me or something. I pass him and keep hammering, this time losing him for good, for some reason his lack of response made me angry, but why wouldn't he say anything? What's up with that, huh?

As I kept riding, I got this strange feeling of deja-vue, perhaps a similar thing already happened to me before, but I couldn't quite remember when or how. Anyone had the same experience?
re: rude riders?jtolleson
Jun 24, 2002 7:43 PM
I think it was a ghost. Or at least that would make a good campfire story ... but you need to describe it as a dark and stormy night, with the flickering of your dying headlight as your only guidance... his hollowed out ice water eyes staring vacantly from underneath his helmet visor ...
re: rude riders?MaRider
Jun 25, 2002 4:24 AM
that's it! maybe he WAS a ghost, a product of my oxygen-deprived, lactate glazed-over brain?

As I re-read my own post, I realize I sounded just like Uncle Leo from Seinfeld. "Jerry, why didn't you say 'hello'? Is it so hard to say 'hello!'?"
ghost riderTig
Jun 25, 2002 5:37 AM
his hollowed out ice water eyes staring vacantly from underneath his helmet visor ...

My bike's flashing red strobe painting his face blood red for brief moments, over and over, revealing eyes that never shifting their dead gaze. The cold shiver that ran up my spine never left as I waited for him to pass, or worse. I thought about glancing back, but couldn't stand looking into those sickening corpse-like eyes again. Finaly, I could take it no more. My heart was pounding and my head was screaming out, "GET OFF MY WHEEL!" I forced myself to turn back and look for the briefest of moments, but he was already gone...
Racing against yourself...shortstroke
Jun 24, 2002 9:00 PM

Perhaps there never was another rider.

Perhaps it was a reflection of some part of yourself, maybe a part of yourself that you are unhappy with and trying to get away from, escape, drop.

So, the phantom rider, who shows up and disappears in the twilight, is just a manifestion of your own internal stuggle, one you struggled with before, hence the Deja Vu.

I'm sorry, your time is up.

Seek professional help. :-)
Amir Pakdel, are you? Hmmmmmm? (nm)I Love Shimano
Jun 24, 2002 9:24 PM
Annoying riders that make funny stories...Leisure
Jun 24, 2002 9:45 PM
There's the silver lining I guess. There is a very small percentage of people that are just pickles no matter how nice you are. Nothing you can do about them. I mean, almost two thirds of my rides are taken pretty casual. So of course there are times I get passed a decent amount. Most of the time people say hi before I do and ask how I'm doing (they see me first, afterall), and I return the favor. I'm secure with it. It sounds like this guy was also taking it easy to begin with, and I find it funny when people like him take it personal when you're just trying to get somewhere and pass them out of coincidence. I can imagine these people thinking everyone is out to race them and they have to prove themselves or something, when in truth they're the only ones that are racing. I think it's funny.
The most recent experience I had like this was on a trail ride about a month ago. My brother (who has incredible legs, at least for "small" distances, like ten road miles of hills) wanted to see what he was capable of, and I wanted to see how well I could keep up with him. Around the midpoint of the ride, he came up on this guy pedalling really slow in his granny gear on a Specialized FSR (as my bro told me afterward). My bro asked to pass, and the guy said, "yeah sure, when do you want to go by?" My brother responded "Eh, anytime the trail widens is cool." So my brother noticed he picked up the pace a bit and they go for a while passing more than a few good passing points without the guy moving to the side to let him by. But it was still not the pace my bro was looking for, so he asked again if he could pass, and the guy said, "okay, how about I pull to the side and you go around." Well, my brother moved to the left side, and all of a sudden this guy accelerated and ripped up the trail as fast as he could. My brother (who is still learning how not to feed into this kind of crap) went and chased him up until the guy wore out and had to stop. My brother passed him, kind of sneering "Uh, thanks".
I came up behind the same guy probably a minute or two after, who was then pedalling slow again, said "what's up?", and he just started sprinting up as fast as he could again. The guy decided to forego pulling the same verbal antics on me as he did my bro, and I wasn't paying any attention. So all I noticed was I was going the pace I wanted and didn't think anything else of it. He quickly wore himself out again and pulled off the trail, probably more quickly since he had just tried the same stunt with my bro. I only realized what he was doing when my bro asked me at the top if I noticed "that guy on the Specialized" and told me the story. I almost wish the guy had tried all the same antics with me first, it would have been more entertaining! I would have rode him to a slow death, and passed him all hohum casual--rubbed it in that he put himself through all that trouble for no reason. The entertainment would have lasted longer, too.
re: rude riders?granda
Jun 25, 2002 3:25 AM
Yeah that gets to me too. I passed a guy while riding into a strong crosswind. I kept my line for a long time thinking that he "might" do something like this. After about a mile there was an obsticle in my path so I turned my head to check for cars and came face to face with the enemy drafting me on the side preventing me from turning out. I slammed on the brakes to avoid a collision with the TRUCK (hmmm one my think he saw this truck too) in the bike lane, as he sped off. I resumed riding and started catching up to him planning on pulling the same shit to see how he liked it, but before I could get there he pulled off to the side of the road.
Just the oppositeMXL02
Jun 25, 2002 4:06 AM
I had the opposite experience, commuting on a bike path, and a guy riding a TREK 5900 in red basketball shorts and Nike basketball shoes, comes up next to me at a stop light and starts chatting away, like we are old friends. After the light changes he rides along with me continuing to talk away. I make small talk with him not wanting to be rude, but the 5900 with platform pedals and reflectors in the spokes is too much...I finally say " nice bike". He says, " Oh yeah...I just got it" (Duh!) "I just started cycling to get in shape and well I was hoping you could help me." So it finally all made sense, and we discussed cycling for the rest of our ride. Hope to see him out on a weekend ride soon. Not all commuters you meet are jerks.
Don't bother trying to understand this guy...biknben
Jun 25, 2002 5:23 AM
I don't mind at all if someone grabs my wheel after I pass. I often ride alone and don't mind pulling for someone when I'd be pulling myself anyway. At the same time, I'd expect that person to realize he's gettign a free ride and be willing to return a simple "hello, how's it going" if we had to stop at a light.

Typically these "Why are some riders rude?" topics are the result of no communication. Two guys pass each other a few times with different expectations and eventually both get pissy. In your case, you made a point of trying to communicate and he wanted no part of it. I can't imagine why. This guy was just being rediculous. Don't bother trying to get in his head. You may find it's completely empty.
Uh - Oh...a deja-vuePaulCL
Jun 25, 2002 5:31 AM
Means a glitch in the matrix. The agent, Mr. Smith, is gonna get you.....

Had to throw that one in. I just saw the Matrix again last night.
re: rude riders?Spinarooni
Jun 25, 2002 7:23 AM
I suppose you didn;t notice if he was wearing headphones. Alot more popular than you might think. Either way there is no excuse for him to just say "hi" even if he can't here what you are saying.
the jersey you were wearing....rufus
Jun 25, 2002 8:22 AM
just wasn't cool enough for him to have to condescend to speak with you. after all, he is a cycling god.
My odd experience this morningUncleMoe
Jun 25, 2002 8:46 AM
I was my commute this morning. Its a 20 mile ride, and at about the 8 mile mark, I see a guy up ahead, small backpack on him, cotton tshirt, non cycling shorts, but he did have clipless peddles. He was riding a rigid MTB with slicks. I was maybe 1/4 - 1/2 mile behind him and within another mile I had almost caught up to him.

On my commute I avg about 15-16 mph and today was no different, until this point. He must have looked back and seen me, because he was suddenly blowing thru stop signs, red lights, standing out of the saddle every 30 seconds, and he was getting a good 1/4 mile lead on me again, so I started trying to catch him for real.

It was funny if nothing else, to see him up ahead looking back once a minute to see where I was. I never did catch him on my own, suspecting the stop signs and red light as his advantage - at least hoping, cause I can't be slower than this guy I'd like to think.

Anyway, he finally does stop at a red light that requires a left hand turn. I pull up behind him and it appears as though his chain had come off. He looked at me, looked at the chain, looked back at me, and then the light turned green. I'm not shitting you, he actually started kicking with his leg to get his bike going and started coasting down the hill. I had to laugh as I passed him on the downhill. I looked back a hundred yards or so from the bottom and he was pulling over to the side to fix his chain.

I think he made my day, or maybe I made his. But I wil admit, I kept looking back for the next 4 miles to see if he was gaining on me
Is this rude?TomS
Jun 25, 2002 9:31 AM
So, this happens to me sometimes and I'm not sure if I'm handling it well... I'll "catch up" to someone at a red light, and I'll stop behind them. If they turn around I'll say hi or maybe make some comment about the weather - yeah, dorky, i know - but usually I won't initiate if I'm behind them (don't want to startle them). Anyway when the light turns I pause before I go so I'm not right on their wheel, then wait a minute to check their pace before I decide whether or not to pass them.

But sometimes they're going almost exactly my pace, and we end up following the same road for a while; so I stay back a ways (at least several bike lengths), but once in a while I can see them look back at me like "you're still here?". Should I pull up alongside and say something? Fall back farther? I almost always ride solo so I'm not really sure of the etiquette here...
I ride solo most of the time....Lowend
Jun 25, 2002 10:45 AM
I too want to know. How fast do have to go before drafting benefits kick in? And how close to you do you have to be?
Jun 25, 2002 11:31 AM
You have to be pretty close, like 6-12 inches behind the wheel in front of you. I never get anywhere near that close to someone I just happen to be riding behind, and don't know.

And I think you have to be going at least 15-20(?) mph before there's really a benefit, unless there's a headwind.
caught in the middleTypeOne
Jun 25, 2002 11:36 AM
Yeah, I'm also sensitive to sucking someone's wheel or crowding them to pass. So I usually back off and wait a moment for a safe place to pass. When a person notices me back there, they usually pick up the pace a bit, and they sometimes seem nervous or irritated that I am 4 lengths behind. I do call out my pass and try to say something friendly when I go by, though.
But what to do? People are annoyed no matter if I pass or not. I think some are simply angry that they were caught from behind.
caught in the middleUncleMoe
Jun 25, 2002 12:21 PM
Hmm, well, from what I can gather...

1. Its rude to wheel suck uninvited.
2. If you pass someone, kick it into a higher gear for a good couple of minutes to get ahead of them. Nothing worse then being passed, only to have that rider's ass in your face cause they couldn't stick with the pace (read that in a bike mag - so sue me).
3. If you are going around the same pace, not fast enough to pass, you should keep a decent distance away. I try to stay a good 10 seconds behind personally so I don't appear to be a stalker.

I prefer to ride alone, if you don't get that from this advice.
There's no etiquette other than being friendly...biknben
Jun 25, 2002 12:19 PM
Some people aren't used to being caught on the road. Others get bothered by someone behind them (paranoia?). Who knows. If you're a few lengths back then don't worry about it. If they feel compelled to look back at you then it's their problem. Just ride your pace. If you happen to catch them then exchange pleasantries and continue on. If they grab on to your wheel just ignore them if you want. You are not obligated to do anything just becuase they are keeping up with you. There isn't much they can do behind you which will disrupt you.
Sounds like you're too worried. Nothing you're doing is rude.nmLeisure
Jun 25, 2002 2:28 PM