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italian vs american - need your advice for purchase(10 posts)

italian vs american - need your advice for purchaselucky757
Jun 24, 2002 11:09 AM
I'm looking to purchase a roadbike in the $800-$1300 price range for agressive week-end riding of around 50 miles per week-end.

I'm learning about bikes and had a few questions:

1. Which is overall better? italian or american?

2. Steel or Aluminum w/ CarbonFiber fork?
2b. Schimano or Campy (tiagra to mirage)(105 to veloce)

3. Some candidates, Canondale R500,R700. Olmo Mizar. Coppi KRH. Lemond (base model).

4. Which would be easiest to resell a few years down the road?

PS> I'm 6'4 / 190lbs so need something to accomodate.

Thank you for any advice anyone has.
re: italian vs american - need your advice for purchaseraboboy
Jun 24, 2002 11:24 AM
It will all come down to personal taste. Some prefer Italian, some American, some Steel, some Aluminum. All those candidates are good bikes. Take each one out for a test ride (at least a half hour, more is better) and see which one feels best. Also, Make sure it FITS.

re: italian vs american - need your advice for purchaseRavik
Jun 24, 2002 11:27 AM
I've got a Bianchi Campione that I'm in love with -
if you get a chance, give them a look. They're sweet.
(I'm 6'3", it fits wonderfully)
Good luck!
Italian - has some great bikes in your $ range. nmunchained
Jun 24, 2002 11:28 AM
couple answers...biknben
Jun 24, 2002 11:50 AM
Q. Italian or American?
A. I'm not touching that one.

Q. Steel or Al?
A. Doesn't matter.

Q. Campy or Shimano
A. Go with what you LBS recommends. You should have no problems with either. In my area, Shimano is far more popular. When I need DA parts/service I can find them no problem. If I had Campy, I'd have to wait.

Q. Candidates?
A. Take the best deal.

Q. Resale value?
A. Oh sure, save this one for last!!! This throws everything off. Resale value for bike is damn poor at best. If you get half of what you paid next year you did great. The biggest factor in selling the bike would be it's name. C'dale would be easiest to sell later. The Olmo and Coppi are great brands but are not widely recognized.

Quick answer....If your looking for a disposable bike, go with an American frame, Aluminum, and Shimano.
If you get an Italian bike,elviento
Jun 24, 2002 1:29 PM
be expected to pay a premium for the exotic factor (not that many of us can escape its allure), and the fat cut by their US exclusive distributors.
check put this onezooog
Jun 24, 2002 2:01 PM
Check out the CC Douglas bikes. Seem to have nice package for a decent price. And CC always got good reviews here. Also, don't go without a carbon fork...a MUST. If you but on line be sure of your measurements. can help you calculate. All the bikes you named are very good bikes so you have already done you homework. Good luck
some thoughtsDaveG
Jun 24, 2002 4:03 PM
1. I don't know that either is better. I like Italian bikes - not because their necessarily "better" but just preference. I'd check out some shops, do some test rides and make your own decision. Maybe no functional difference, but the Italian frames mentioned might stand out from the crowd a bit more.
2. Again, do some test rides and draw your own conclusions. Make a decision based on ride quality and not just weight
2b. Most full-up bikes are going to have Shimano on them. Bianchi, Marin are some exceptions (I assume the Olmo has Mirage?). I'd try to stick with Veloce or 105 if you have the budget. Try both out and see what you like. Both work fine but feel and operation are different
3. Resale value is going to be bad on any bike. You might have a slight advantage with something more unique (Olmo, Coppi); there are a zillion 'Dales and Lemonds out there!

Your height/weight should not be a problem as long as you stay away from superlight bikes
Jun 25, 2002 6:02 AM
Both US and Italian manufacturers have reasonable offerings in your price range (as do some Asian sources--Fuji comes to mind).

You have a perfectly reasonable candidate list. If you're interested in Italian offerings I'd suggest you check out what the old standby, Bianchi has to offer (I think there's a reynolds frame with 105 somewhere near your price). Also Marin.

Others have suggested GVH, who has some cool offerings--although you sort of need to know what you want (and your size) with some specificity.

Resale: you should expect to take a hit on resale. I suspect that the easiest bikes to resell would be the best known, Cannondale and Lemond (both of which are reasonable options for you). In fact, you'll do best on resale if you start with a good buy on a used bike. I've seen some pretty damn nice used offerings in the 1300 dollar range. If you can find something that fits properly, and have a knowledgeable friend check the thing out for you, you could do quite well (either buying a lifetime bike, or getting something that will lose rather little value if properly cared for) on resale here.
re: italian vs american - need your advice for purchasemmaggi
Jun 25, 2002 8:55 AM
1. Which is overall better? italian or american?
Well, there are many italian framebuilders who build good quality frames. Same with American. The difference I've noticed is that most Italian framebuilders finish their frames nicer. Remember that Itlaians (in general) pay much attention to details. That doesn't mean that aren't some American builders who don't. IMO, Cannondale finishes their frames nicely.

2. Steel or Aluminum w/ CarbonFiber fork?
Either will be fine, but it's up to you. Steel is more comfortable than AL, but you may find the difference negligible. Make sure to test ride both materials.

2b. Schimano or Campy (tiagra to mirage)(105 to veloce)
I've had both (Shimano 600 and Campy Chorus). They're both very good products. But I prefer Campy. That doesn't mean it's better. It doesn't mean it's worse. I just prefer Campy.

3. Some candidates, Canondale R500,R700. Olmo Mizar. Coppi KRH. Lemond (base model).
All good candidates. Test ride them if you can. Did you consider Bianchi? They're within your price range and produce a good frame that's comparable to the ones you mentioned.

4. Which would be easiest to resell a few years down the road?