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Crotch-Cam??!?!!(17 posts)

Jun 21, 2002 7:04 AM
I caught a bit of the Phili race on OLN last night. And now I think I'm permanently damaged.

They must have mounted a camera under this guys seat, cuz you got a view of his pumping legs (inner thighs), his bars and the fellas in front.

Freakiest camera action I've ever seen. I wonder if it'll catch on?
God, I hope not!Len J
Jun 21, 2002 7:26 AM
That view was obnoxious.

I thought the coverage of the race was awful. They didn't know who was in the break & they missed the move on Lemon Hill.

The Americans have a bit to learnMcAndrus
Jun 21, 2002 7:43 AM
Liggett was just working with the video he was seeing. I guess the Americans - directors, camera operators, etc., just don't know how to shoot a bike race yet.

The crotch cam thing was awful. I kept hoping they'd stop using it.

The lady they had as a color commentator wasn't bad but she had trouble working with Liggett - they kept talking over each other.

And what was the deal with talking to Wordin and Andreu? I didn't find much value in that, except for the time Andreu admitted he didn't know who was in the big group.
The Americans have a bit to learnrideslikeagirl
Jun 21, 2002 7:46 AM
There's just no comparision to the European coverage with the dynamic duo of Phil and Paul.

C'mon, TdF!!!
The Crotch-Cam was awfulKenS
Jun 21, 2002 8:34 AM
Awful! Awful! Awful!
re: Crotch-Cam??!?!!No_sprint
Jun 21, 2002 8:40 AM
Is this the once Roxy? I hope to ride with you up there again sometime if it is. My trips North have been few and far between this year.

Anyway, they somehow, perhaps by remote, were able to turn that camera up and get a face shot of the rider too. Anyone see that? Perhaps it was a different camera on a different rider. I do like handlebar type mounted camera views. Really gets you in the action.
Ya got me!rideslikeagirl
Jun 21, 2002 8:55 AM
Hey there, stranger! I wondered what happened to you-

I'd love to hook up on your next trip. But, you'd better watch it this time - I've got a new bike! ;-)

(I did catch the upward camer angle, too. Not a fan of that either.

I would like the handlebar mount tho.)
Too bad they couldn't mount cam on the stemRoyGBiv
Jun 21, 2002 9:09 AM
It might make for an interest view, a la those Indy car and NASCAR shots.
Cam on the stem...klay
Jun 21, 2002 9:31 AM
equals butt in lens. No doubt, an interesting view to some but, I would think a helmet cam (or even a seatpost looking backwards cam) might have a better view.

Second thought, you're absolutely right.RoyGBiv
Jun 21, 2002 9:52 AM
Great stem views here.No_sprint
Jun 21, 2002 10:14 AM
Not if it's on my stem! Great views from the front of the pack or hangin' on the back of the womens pro/1/2 field. :)
they should have talke to Spielberg first...mr_spin
Jun 21, 2002 10:36 AM
The problem with a stem cam or crotch cam or any POV (point of view) cam fixed to the bike is that it doesn't present a natural view. In the second Indiana Jones movie, there are sequences inside a mine where they are riding in ore carts on tracks. The POV shots were done by mounting a 35mm still camera on wheels and moving it down the track. Nobody was impressed with the results. It looked totally fake.

They ended up doing a study of people riding rollercoasters and other similar rides. What they found is that when a tracked car came to a turn, everyone instinctively turned their heads BEFORE the turn to see where the turn is going. It seems obvious now, but it's not something anyone really thinks about. Try staring straight ahead in your car tonight whenever you make a turn! To be safe, try staring straight ahead walking down the hallway of your office!

Anyway, they reshot the sequence using what they learned, and while the movie still mostly sucked (the first and third movies were great), the mine sequence felt totally natural.
Jun 21, 2002 10:20 AM
I thought the crotch-cam was an interesting perspective, likewise the stem-cam. I got a little dizzy and sick after watching it for a few seconds, but otherwise it was interesting. Nothing wrong with a creative look at the race, like I was a Selle-Italia saddle. That's never been my dream, but you never know with some people...
It will never catch on because I can't see pro riders wanting to wear these devices (did anyone see them?) no matter how small or light.
The coverage: poor. Too much time spent following Fred Rodriguez into the pits.
Always wanted to know how the penis sees the world. nmSpinarooni
Jun 21, 2002 12:53 PM
re: Crotch-Cam??!?!!Skip
Jun 21, 2002 2:10 PM
Actually, I enjoyed the different angle. Maybe not a constant dose, but nice as a change. Able to see and appreciate the bike lean in the curves, the amount of side to side HB "shimmy" with pedaling, speed from the cyclists POV, etc.
Man, that was weird, wasn't it!!??JBurton
Jun 21, 2002 2:25 PM
Mr. Winkie Eye View, I guess.
re: Crotch-Cam??!?!!velocity
Jun 24, 2002 7:39 AM
Awful!!! My wife and I were there this year -- had a blast! -- and was hoping the OLN coverage would be revealing. It added less than nothing.