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2004 Dura Ace Group predictions?(16 posts)

2004 Dura Ace Group predictions?gregdogg62
Jun 20, 2002 6:25 AM
I was just recently reading on cyclingnews.com the predictions for the changes to Dura Ace in the future. What do you guys/gals think the major changes will be?

10 speed?
Carbon galore?
internal gears
Electronic?
I hope nonepmf1
Jun 20, 2002 6:39 AM
Its a pretty good group as is. They could redesign the bottom bracket. I could see carbon cranks on the way, but hopefully they would be an option like they are with Campy. DA cranks are pretty nice (light and stiff). Personally, I don't see a big advantage between 10 speeds versus 9, although I'm sure some folks do. In all honesty, I was happy with 8. Its interesting that Shimano didn't hop on the 10-speed band wagon right away. I was suprised.

I've always been happy that Shimano resisted changing the group every year or so with questionable improvements like Campy did. I'd be a little POed to spend big bucks on Record and then see it become Chorus the next year to make way for carbon levers or a light weigh brake. Almost a reversal in marketing strategies between the two.

How narrow can chains get? Going beyond 10 speeds without changing bike geometries doesn't seem possible. I'd really be unhappy if that happened.
Why not screw it all up with a QuadPhatMatt
Jun 20, 2002 7:05 AM
hehe mtn 20-32-42-52 rd 24-29-42-53 I dont now I am just in a wierd mood today.
Why not screw it all up with a QuadRepulsiveRonPruitt
Jun 20, 2002 7:13 AM
No, do something for the mashers not the spinners. How about a 42-53-63-72 front combo.
Why not screw it all up with a QuadPhatMatt
Jun 20, 2002 8:18 AM
There you go the 72 so big it scrapes over speed bumps
re: 2004 Dura Ace Group predictions?pa rider
Jun 20, 2002 7:24 AM
My one lbs was trying to sell me a road bike two months ago and gave me some insite. He said shimano is working on a 12 speed groupo for 2003. Not sure if its in the testing period.

Has anybody see it on any pro racers bikes this year?
re: 2004 Dura Ace Group predictions?pmf1
Jun 20, 2002 8:44 AM
I've heard this 12-speed rumor for several years now. Probably all it is.
12 spd rear cog setPhatMatt
Jun 20, 2002 8:48 AM
That would create some hell a steep chain angles if you had a triple up front. How small do they think the can make a chain and still maintain its integrity. Not to mention the same gear ratios in the different chain rings.

Matt
My bet.....muncher
Jun 20, 2002 8:49 AM
10 Speed. But in addition, and for no apparent reason, a load of small, un-needed, changes to BB widths, splines, ratios and whatever else they can dream up to screw compatibility and whap up parts prices?

Cynical? Moi?
I dunnopmf1
Jun 20, 2002 10:21 AM
When they went from 8 to 9 speed, everything stayed compatable. It was a very un-Shimano-like move at that time. I remember when 9-v came out and I thought, oh crap, look at all the obsolete wheels I've got. I was over-joyed to see that a 9-v cassette worked on my 8-v wheels.
Not exactly,TJeanloz
Jun 20, 2002 10:24 AM
8 and 9 speed cranks and bottom brackets are not interchangable. Otherwise though, compatibility was decidedly un-Shimanolike in that transition.
Not exactly,pmf1
Jun 20, 2002 10:50 AM
You could use the 9-v set up with the 8-v cranks and with new rings if you wanted to. I think the splined BB really is an improvement. I just wish it wasn't patented so other companies could make it. Changing a cassette body is another thing. And it did amaze me that Shimano did not do it.
10 and 14 speed being tested.JS
Jun 20, 2002 8:56 AM
From a semi-reliable source. Shimano never went 10 because Campy had patents....which run out in 2003. Shimano also has a 14-speed patent( you can do a search on this )with a single front chainring. Shimano has working proto's of both these designs. Incidentally, keep an eye on Campy's chainrings next year as Shimano ramped and pinned chainring patent expires and I wouldn't be suprised to see Campy copy these.
Here is Shimano's patent for 14 speed cassetteDave Hickey
Jun 20, 2002 10:46 AM
And Chain......Dave Hickey
Jun 20, 2002 10:47 AM
sweet wing/'03 XTR like integrated cranks/BB?cyclopathic
Jun 20, 2002 6:36 PM
other then that can only guess..