Jun 15, 2002 1:51 PM
|Perhaps this belongs more on the Retro Board, but I figure it will get the most exposure here.
Some of you will recognize my name, most of you won't. I used to post a lot on the old roadie board on mtbr. When it changed to this board, I pretty much stopped posting, for a couple of reasons. Mostly, I don't like the format here, and thought the old one was much better. That seems to be a recuring trend of mine.
I've been cycling since the early 80s, and have seen a lot of changes. Most of those changes have been for the better, but not all, IMHO. I started out on mtbs, but quickly became more a roadie. I still own both, my total number of bikes is in the double digits. Most of the bikes I bought as frames, and built up myself. Lately, I've come to the conclusion that I'll probably never buy another road bike again. Why, you ask? I don't like the changes the manufacturers have forced upon me.
Here follows my rant....if anyone cares.....
Threadless stems on road bikes are just plain UGLY. And I don't want to have to stick 5 or 6 even uglier spacers underneath that stem. I don't care that they save 3 or 4 ounces. I want a nice Cinelli 1A stem, with it's beautiful flowing lines. Even a welded quill stem looks better than some of the freakish things they put on bikes today.
I want a steel fork. Preferably, it will have a flat crown. If not, at least a sloping one. No unicrowns, please. Oh, and it will have threads on it too. Again, I don't care that carbon is lighter. And for those that say it dampens shock better, I say ride a good steel fork before you say that.
Why is it that every saddle I ever liked has went by the wayside? What happened to the Turbo, the Regal, the Rolls? Even the Squadra or the Sintesi fit well. All I see now are gel-filled saddles. I remember when Avocet first came out with gel saddles, everyone scoffed at them....called them 'sissy-saddles' even. Now it's about the only choice.
I like chrome on a road bike. Chrome stays, chrome forks, chrome lugs.
I like lugs. A tig-welded bike might be lighter, but it's nowhere near as pretty. Save it for the mtbs.
I want a pump peg. Some of us still swear by our Silca frame pumps. Make it easier for me to mount it.
Give me the option of running downtube shifters, if I so desire. I do like Ergo, but I want the choice.
Road bike use 1 inch headsets. Just because it works on mtbs, doesn't mean that road bikes need it too.
Why in the world do some of these wheelsets cost what they do? I can buy a frame for less than some of them!! Are the people that buy them crazy or what??
OK, I feel better now....
Jun 15, 2002 2:11 PM
|if and when i buy my mondonico, i'm taking the 3ttt record 84 stem and competizione bars and putting them on it. and i guess i'll have to put nitto bars and stem on my old bike, even if they are extremely heavy, cause i can't stand the look of threadless stems on road bikes. i probably will go with ergopower for it, but the rivendell i also want to get will have down-tube shifters, although they will index.
and i've got a turbo on my sirrus, an avocet racingII(a re-badged turbo) for the rivendell(old bridgestones had avocets), and another turbo, currently stuck on the blizzard frame i'm building up, which will go on the mondonico. all italian, that one will be. best saddle my butt has sat on, but i've never tried a rolls or a flite.
another thing: what ever happened to silver bars and stems? absolutely beautiful! everything today is black, or maybe titanium gray if you're lucky. and almost impossible to get something besides the anatomic bend. i want a classic merckx deep drop.
32 spoke mavic opens will build up lighter or about the same as krysiums, but so much cheaper.
lugged and chromed steel. doesn't get any better than that.
Jun 15, 2002 2:26 PM
|I feel better now too.
Jun 15, 2002 2:38 PM
|Crankist, you jackass. Let the man make his point in peace...
|How is that trolling?...||thatsmybush|
Jun 15, 2002 4:08 PM
|I thought the guy was a whiner as well.|
|Yes sir officer.||Crankist|
Jun 16, 2002 4:14 AM
|When do I get to make mine in peace?
|Yes sir officer.||spankdoggie|
Jun 16, 2002 1:26 PM
|That is a good one crankist. It is so true.
|you can still get Regal and Rolls saddles||Tig|
Jun 15, 2002 3:06 PM
|See them at http://www.excelsports.com/products.asp?major=1&minor=18
I like both the new and old bikes. I love what I ride now, yet would love to build up a nice classic lugged steel with down tube shifters, quill stem, and the other old standards (minus the Campy Delta brakes this time!).
I still use a frame pump on my modern bike. I don't care if anyone likes it or not since it works so well. I had a flat today at a rest stop and someone offered their CO2 inflator to me but, I already had the tire over 100 psi. Some things just work.
|yeah...preferably from me ;-)||Spirito|
Jun 15, 2002 3:35 PM
|1 x red rolls on ebay now and how many white regals would you like sir/madam.
both with brass rails, plates and rivets and in that much sexier style that isnt available anymore. current ones are just plain ugly in comparison and dont match their beauty. love 'em!!!
cinelli 1A and and XA quill stems (black or silver) - ask me how !!
all new and in box - id show pics but that would be spamming....and of course thats not my style
sell, sell, sell, sell..... ;-)
(all proceeds go to spirito's mucho secret carbon fibre fetish fund)
|secret carbon fiber fetish fund?||weiwentg|
Jun 16, 2002 10:47 AM
|could Spirito possibly be going un-retro-grouch?? fat tubes, threadless stems, aero wheels and all that? :p|
|celluloid and silver nitrate. nm||colker|
Jun 16, 2002 10:55 AM
|Welcome to the 80s.||Atombomber|
Jun 15, 2002 5:10 PM
|Everything you have asked for you can still get. Contact anyone of the many custom steel frame builders.|
|re: Bikes today...||SantaCruz|
Jun 15, 2002 9:31 PM
|Like atombomber said, you can get it all today. Waterford, Heron, Sachs, Rivendell and countless others from USA and Europe.
I still ride my '83 Centurion. I can see why some people may reject much of the newer technology, but please don't tell us it was better back then. You've got more choices today than ever before. And when I jump on my carbon fiber Calfee it's lighter, faster, and brakes better than the Centurion. They have both got one inch threaded steerer and quill stem (I also hate the look of threadless stems).
I say be as retro as you wish, just don't grouch!!!!
|Velocipedists Unite!||Me Dot Org|
Jun 15, 2002 9:34 PM
|Any true cyclist would not be caught dead on one of these newfangled "safety" bicycles.
The pennyfarthing is the best "fixie" ever made!
Seriously, when viewed from the perspective of history, threaded vs. unthreaded, 1" vs. 1 1/8" seem like small potatoes.
I have a tig-welded, carbon forked (with carbon steerer) road bike with a 1 1/8" headset which I love, thank you very much.
I also have a Brooks saddle that is waiting for me to make up my mind on a lugged frame, which will no doubt have a steel fork and a beautiful old school stem.
I think cycling is big enough for "old school" and "new wave".
But I still love wool, even on my new ride...
|My 74 Paramount frame should arrive early next week ...||Humma Hah|
Jun 16, 2002 8:51 AM
|... and I think you'd appreciate it. Expecially the chrome. I agree, I'd expect one of the better old frames of that era to be at least 98% as good as modern in most respects, brakes being an exception, and friction shifters are irrelevant if you're a purist and ride a fixie.|
|What I miss||Walter|
Jun 16, 2002 9:47 AM
|Is the true choices that were available 20 years ago. Yes there are more frame options today but when it comes time to add a drivetrain you have 2 manufacturers to choose from. Economically speaking that's not a choice. Also, it takes some of the fun out of bike buying or even bike viewing. You never get to see something out of the ordinary anymore unless it's a retro ride.
I know that Huret, Zeus and even the much missed SunTour are gone largely due to their own fault but I miss looking at a Nashbar, etc catalog and not seeing a slew of derailleurs, cranks, etc by 4 or more makers. Prices might be a tad cheaper too.
Yes I do ride a retro Basso with Campy S. Record but I also ride a nearly modern Colnago with Campy Ergo (even if it's only 8)so I don't think I'm grouching too much.
Hey Spirito, if you read this email me firstname.lastname@example.org I'm interested in a white Regal.