|How to make the accident look worse||TypeOne|
Jun 13, 2002 12:06 PM
|I realize this is entirely inappropriate after the tragic events in Louisiana, because I was lucky. But here's my rant:
Riding home from work yesterday, a county vehicle with a county employee turned left in front of me into a county parking lot. I yelled and locked up the brakes, skidding all over the place. The guy stopped halfway into his turn (still no turn signal on) in my lane, and I fishtailed sideways into the truck.
I was ok, and I unclipped and walked around the front near the driver side window. I was checking for damage to the bike, and there appears to be none, as I really only slammed my hip into the front panel of the truck. But as soon as I was away from the front of the truck, the guy continued his turn into the garage without a word.
I was shocked as I watched him go. Some pedestrians nearby shook their heads in disbelief.
Because this angered me so much, I wanted to call the police on a hit & run. But I didn't. I was kind of shocked, then I realized how lucky I was. But now I am angry and I want to file a claim against the county for a damaged bike. The driver wouldn't have any idea what my bike looks like, since he drove away after feeling the impact. Any way I can temporarily make my bike look dinged up to a noncyclist? I was thinking of loosening all the cables and derailleur adjustments, locking the front brakes, and loosening up the headset so my handlebars are twisted about. Then I'll put bandaids all over myself and go in to the department office to complain: "Look, this bike won't shift, won't steer and the wheel won't turn!"
Fraud? Maybe. But I am also a county employee. And I don't need the bike replaced. My real goal is to threaten this idiot's job.
Jun 13, 2002 12:09 PM
|I'd just write a letter to his boss. Don't go faking anything, especially after you let on what you intend in front of the whole planet.
Jun 14, 2002 12:37 AM
|You can threaten the idiots job without being a liar. nm||rideslikeagirl|
Jun 13, 2002 12:21 PM
Jun 13, 2002 12:25 PM
|Why would it threaten the guy's job? All he has to do is say it was an accident, which it was, and everyone knows that accidents happen. That's why the county carries insurance on anyone who drives their vehicles. It's not like the guy would have to pay the damages out of his own pocket. The county would. Your own employer.
If you can find out who the guy is, just write a complaint to his boss or his agency head. Faking damage to get money is just plain fraud, and stupid, too, since your bike will probably be out of action while they investigate.
|The guy should be fired||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Jun 13, 2002 1:25 PM
|The guy was a f%cking idiot and drove away. If he had stopped and helped the guy who hit him because of his stupidity... it would have just been an honest mistake.|
|Why did you wait???||biknben|
Jun 13, 2002 12:49 PM
|I think you missed your opportunity. He was clearly in the wrong to have just driven off. Also, wrong for not having used a signal. There were witnesses who acknowledged the driver was at fault. That was the time to act.
Don't try to make it right by commiting fraud. At this point, be happy you're okay. Learn from it. In the future act immediately. Get the names of those pedestrians and get a cop on the scene. I guess you could have a summons issued for "Failure to signal". I don't know about the hit and run issue though.
|Watch out for morons and don't become one!||Quack|
Jun 13, 2002 12:55 PM
|Being that neither vehicle sustained damage and neither party sustained injury, no police report was filed, and witnesses' names were not collected, good luck!! If you sustained some type of injury that a doctor can identify, you might have a shot if a witness or two can be found. I'm a commuter and have idiots do stuff like this every couple weeks. After a while, you just accept the fact that the world is full of morons and there is nothing you can do about it.
You may get an apology from the county if you can identify the offending truck, location, time. I definitely wouldn't try and fake any type of physical damage. Witnesses already saw you ride away from the scene on your now unusable bike.
Stay alert and watch for morons!!
Jun 13, 2002 1:14 PM
|I can identify the driver, truck, time, location, etc.
As I said, my intention is not to get a new bike from my own employer; I want to raise a fuss for what could be classified as a hit & run. I agree, it was an accident. But driving away after he KNOWS we collided is inexcusable, particularly when it is his fault. He was driving a county truck, so he knows damn well he is insured and nothing would come out of his pocket. So why not stop and make sure I'm ok? Because he's afraid another knock on his driving record will get him fired, perhaps? I intend to find out.
My point about rigging up my bike was partially facetious; I could probably accomplish the same thing with a letter to a supervisor. You're all right. But it's harder to work myself up into a righteous lather on paper, and I know how a bureaucracy can bury paperwork.
|sure go ahead......||Spirito|
Jun 13, 2002 1:26 PM
|but dont cry when karma has you under the wheels of a truck.
he is a fool yes..... you weren't hurt .....yes.
contacting him and perhaps explaining that it could have been worse and that he should excersize more caution in the future would be the best thing to do. whenb someone does you bad show them good - the results are much better.
it makes us cyclists look smarter and he will have more respect and awareness in the future. being a fool and risking his livlihood will have repercussions...im sure some cyclist down the road will wonder why some pick-up truck ran him off the road ....how would you feel if it was incited by your unecessarily rash reaction.
what goes around......
|hit and run?||DougSloan|
Jun 13, 2002 1:40 PM
|This is technically called "leaving the scene of an accident." I checked quickly (not in depth research), and in California you must remain at the scene only if there is personal injury or property damage resulting from the accident. Now, your offender here may not have known for certain whether either existed, but if they did not, then he did not violate the law by leaving. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=00429821590+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve
|The guys hit was hurt... (nm)||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Jun 13, 2002 1:46 PM
|hit and run?||Jekyll|
Jun 13, 2002 1:48 PM
|Wouldn't there be a responsibility to check for obvious physical damage / personal injury? Otherwise wouldn't any individual involved in a light hit and run be able to say, "oh, I did not think there was any damage so I just kept driving"? Unless you argue that you were not aware of an impact/collision I would think that there has to be something there to force you to check for damage. But then again, one would never argue that laws make sense...|
Jun 13, 2002 2:07 PM
|It would appear that the statute makes the issue objective, rather than what you thought at the time.
If there were no injury or damage, then no obligation to stop. If there were injury or damage, but you stuck your head in the sand (or were drunk off your butt, for that matter), there still would be liablity even if you were not aware of the injury or damage.
Laws can be very tricky on this "objective" vs. "subjective" issue. I'm not totally certain I have it right here, either. (Note, you can be guilty of speeding even with a broken or misreading speedometer -- but you're not guilty of speeding if your speedometer reads 60 and you're only going 55 in a 55 zone, i.e., you thought you were speeding.)
|re: Giving Government Employees a BAD Name..||jrm|
Jun 13, 2002 2:08 PM
|Suggesting Fraudulant activity to collect money, and in order to jepordize another government employee's job because you were "Angered".
And best yet doing at the expense of local and county TAX PAYERS.
It's Government Employees like yourself that support the NEGATIVE stereotypical image the public has of government employees.
|re: Giving Government Employees a BAD Name..||TypeOne|
Jun 13, 2002 2:18 PM
|No, no no...that guy gives government employees a bad name. I am sure any private citizen would take after the county for everything they could get, perhaps by doing the sort of fraudulent crap I was suggesting, including faking a "soft tissue" injury of some sort. I know attorneys in Risk Management who deal with this all the time, with claims from jail inmates to bus passengers, you name it.
I swear, I am not out for money on this. And maybe I shouldn't be out for this guy's job. I know the standards I am expected to uphold as a government employee, and this guy did not meet them. Maybe all I want is an apology. It certainly would have sufficed yesterday at the scene.
|re: Giving Government Employees a BAD Name..||jrm|
Jun 13, 2002 3:07 PM
|i was just responding to your ORIGINAL post. I see my State agencies "cream of the crop" abuse the fact that theyre government employees. I just get kinda pissed. But then again if my classification was maintenance worker or clerk 1 or something like that i wouldnt give a shlt either.|
|re: Giving Government Employees a BAD Name..||TypeOne|
Jun 13, 2002 3:24 PM
|Yeah, I know what you mean. The guy was in Parks & Rec; it wasn't like a councilmember hit me or anything so I shouldn't expect the guy to put out his smoke and ask me how I'm doing. I fired off a letter to the department head, so we'll see what comes of this. I'm kinda mellowing out on this whole issue now and I'm happy to still be riding.|
|re: You Know...||jrm|
Jun 14, 2002 1:47 PM
|i was thinking while riding home last night that maybe the guys seens you before and knew that rode or where another employee and that was why he didnt do anything?
I mean after 6 donut's, a 4 beer lunch, a nice nap under a tree some weed abatement thrown in..i'd be kinda tired too..and not very responsive...
|Two wrongs and all that (nm)||brider|
Jun 13, 2002 2:20 PM
|Two wrongs and all that (nm)||Pygme|
Jun 13, 2002 3:21 PM
|Ok. So you are going to go in there and lie about your "injuries" and your "damage" to your bike.
You are so FREAKING SMART no one will ever figure that out because you are the FIRST PERSON to ever try that.
As soon as they find out you are a liar, and they will, the one most likely to loose his job is YOU. Not to mention you will probably be filed on for filing a false report to a peace officer.
....and once again, a "motorist" has one more reason to despise a "cyclist."
|Drop Your Skirt||jose_Tex_mex|
Jun 13, 2002 4:10 PM
|If things weren't bad enough to call the cops then stop your piss-eyeing and lose the fraudelent behavior. You know how you got your job - through politics, well you can lose it the same way.|
|Ya know, I was thinking||Mel Erickson|
Jun 14, 2002 7:26 AM
|what's the fact that both these guys work for county government got to do with it? It could have been two Enron employees. Would it give Enron a bad name?|| |