|This is truly terrifying||grandemamou|
Jun 12, 2002 11:36 AM
|Another one and this time really close to home. The guy plowed into a pack head on.
I don't know the guys killed but I have raced with the guys at Red Stick Racing, a great bunch of people. I am truly saddened.
|cross the centerline?||DougSloan|
Jun 12, 2002 11:41 AM
|That sounds more like intentional than negligent
What's the world coming to?
|Never assume malice when simple stupidy or...||Wayne|
Jun 12, 2002 11:49 AM
|incompetence will do as an explanation! You'd have to be a pure psychopath to intentially cross the center line and plow into a group of cyclist. Not to mention you'd be risking your own neck as well. Next time your out driving, observe, you will see people crossing the yellow line quite frequently or more often drifting to the right of the white line especially on back roads. The only thing to say in this case is that sucks. I tend to ride on somewhat winding, rolling rural roads. Every ride I have cars that go around me into the other lane when there is absolutely no way they can see what's coming. I'm sure one of these days I'm going to see a head-on up close and personal and it will be attributable to pure stupidity or lack of forethought, whatever you want to call it.|
|Noticed the truck was a ford F350.||bnlkid|
Jun 12, 2002 12:00 PM
|The drivers I remember the most for not paying attention are those in the Ford F-series trucks. I'm not sure what the connection is, but it has happened far too often to be a mere coincidence.
This is truly tragic. I send my sympathy to those who were involved and their loved ones.
|F-series just happens to be the best selling truck (vehicle)||Lowend|
Jun 12, 2002 12:27 PM
|Don't get me wrong. I'm am very disturbed by this article. I ride on small, two lane roads, with lots of curves all of the time. This down right frightens me.
Don't blame F-series truck drivers. There are probably more F trucks than any other car on the road. One A**, who probably just finished fishing and drinking thought he was being cute by heading towards the bikers but could not correct himselfd in time. A dumb F*ck.
Jun 12, 2002 12:10 PM
|I realize that, but look at this road. It appears to be wide and clearly marked. After reading that lady's article in Texas last week, nothing would suprise me.|
Jun 13, 2002 1:12 AM
|if you've ever driven that stretch of the River Road in Baton Rouge it is a narrow, winding road that follows the base of the levee along the Mississippi River - I've never driven that road without seeing at least one cyclist - even in July afternoon Louisiana humidor heat
it's an ideal stretch of road for cycling as fast main roads parallel it for its duration - plus the levee is a welcome distraction
|Nothing does surprise me.||Leisure|
Jun 13, 2002 3:40 AM
|And I agree with you. The courts may be responsible for making the minimum conclusion that can suffice, but we sure aren't. How stupid do you have to be to run into a whole stream of cyclists on an open highway? OJ didn't kill Nicole either. Even if it wasn't "intentional", I can imagine a lot of drivers watching their vehicle careening at all these cyclists saying, "Eh, I won't get hurt, I don't need to try too hard to avoid them". Of course, I live in Utah, and a lot of drivers here are just that incompetant. I have a couple friends who were never able to actually stay in their lane more than a few hundred feet at a time without me reminding them where it is. They've gotten better. Too bad I can't give everyone driving lessons.|
|not malicious...probably drunk...long day of fishing (nm)||loop|
Jun 12, 2002 12:23 PM
Jun 12, 2002 12:29 PM
|Not to comment on this particular tragedy, but driving drunk should be by definition malicious. Everyone knows the possible consequences by now.|
Jun 12, 2002 12:43 PM
|...without a doubt. I was just speaking in terms of intentional murder, as opposed to the tragedy of unintentional, negligent murder--or manslaughter/whatever comfy terms our legal system calls it. Either way, it's all bad.
That Crooks b$%^ should be forced to go to this funeral.
|the article says the driver tested negative for alcohol. (nm)||NJRoad|
Jun 13, 2002 4:05 AM
|cross the centerline?||grandemamou|
Jun 12, 2002 11:53 AM
|Appears so. The details are further down in MVN's post. I kind of wish I had not read it. The details are pretty horrific.|
|If someone had the e-mail address||texfan|
Jun 12, 2002 11:46 AM
|for the paper in the Woodlands, perhaps it would be helpful to send this article so they have something to think about next time they want to print a "tongue in cheek article."|
Jun 12, 2002 12:35 PM
|I went to the Woodlands newspaper site to do as you suggested and it has already been done. Hopefully, the editors will now understand why even joking about car versus bike violence is so upsetting to cyclists.|
|You are a good man. Or woman, whatever the case may be.||Leisure|
Jun 13, 2002 3:42 AM
|Person. Yeah, that works.|
Jun 12, 2002 11:53 AM
|Man what an appalling tragedy. This was the kind of stuff that kept me up at night back when my SO and I were promoting events. You can try to be so careful, but stuff like this seems to just drop out of trees.
This my racer friends is exactly why road races are a dying breed and those boring, repetitive office-park crits are becoming so ubiquitous.
Jun 12, 2002 12:14 PM
|Is it really difficult to get total road closure for a road race? There are only a few around here that do that. It feels like a real luxury when they do (like we are "real" racers).
To me, crits are boring. I like the open road.
|way, way, WAY too expensive for most events||lonefrontranger|
Jun 12, 2002 12:16 PM
|stipulations for total road closure almost always require police support @ an hourly rate.|
Jun 12, 2002 12:17 PM
|We are at the mercy of every driver who passes us. One slip up on their part, and we are goners. This is awful stuff.
|re: This is truly terrifying||ST|
Jun 12, 2002 2:11 PM
|Accidents like this make me rethink if I want to ride on the road. Mountain biking for more accidents that not usually fatal. It also makes me very sad to think about the family of the victim.|
|anyone remember the same thing in a pro race in Mexico?||Tig|
Jun 12, 2002 5:56 PM
|About 10 years ago a drunk driver plowed strait into a field of pro's in a Mexican road race. He even backed over a few downed riders trying to get away. The police saved the driver's life when the remaining riders almost lynched him. There were no rider fatalities, but some serious injuries.|
|re: An unfortunate note about the article....||WCC|
Jun 12, 2002 6:29 PM
|..the number of deceased is actually 2 as of this afternoon. The 17 year old kid that was hit died around 11 pm last nite. Probably after the article was written.|
Jun 13, 2002 6:14 AM
|I am sitting in my office, and I am actually crying. What the fOck? Pointless, wasteful and horrid. My heart goes out for the cyclists and their families.
In this instance, without having been there, it does sound like the driver was egregiously at fault.
This is sick and horrible.
|dead body outlines||ishmael|
Jun 13, 2002 6:51 AM
|I wrote this before and no one responded so here goes again. I think awareness of the dangers drivers cause cyclists is the best step we can take.
I've seen lifesize outlines on the ground where people have been hit by automobiles, I think it was in San Francisco. One day you'd walk across the street happily and the next you'd see a body outline. It lets the rest of the world know what is going on. Otherwise truly horendous accidents happend in your own neighborhood possibly within minutes of you being there and you'd probably never know it. I cant remember if the outlines were for cyclist also but they were self-explanitory with writting that told the date and time and name of the victim (i think that was written, could be my imagination). Anyway, seems easy enough, someone should do it. And the outlines were in there true to life shape of the body, beautiful in a sad way. LETS EVERYONE KNOW WHATS GOING ON. they'll likely be more careful.
Jun 13, 2002 6:59 AM
|I think that's sort of morbidly weird. I understand the reasoning, but it's just too weird for me.
|gotta be bold||ishmael|
Jun 13, 2002 7:50 AM
|Im glad someone responded. Morbid? ok, but that seems appropriate though, Im sure you wouldnt want a happy reminder. I think its great, I remember them in San Francisco and they really impacted me, they would stop people on the street and make them think. You dont get that from an expensive commercial on TV, or one of those ubiquitous share the road with bikes signs. People dont think twice when they pass them. It's a memorial and a warning to riders and drivers, and it's in the exact location where the accident happend so you know where to be especially careful. Its as close to real as I can imagine, there body lay like that. Not only do I think its a beautiful idea its also the best possible to our problem baring changing laws, as far as making people aware of whats happending its dead on. Why be minceing, if you want something done you gotta respond strongly, (actually I dont think its that drastic but it seems you do). Worst case scenario what happends? Someone gets offended, good, someone died a tragic death, it is offensive.|
|do they still have the skull and crossbones on highways?||ColnagoFE|
Jun 13, 2002 8:54 AM
|at least in iowa they used to mark where there was a fatal accident. i always thought it was a good reminder to drive safe.|
|They've done this in NYC before...||biknben|
Jun 13, 2002 7:49 AM
|There was a movement in NYC a few years ago where they would do just what you describe. A couple people would jump out of a car, paint a figure on the road with a name and date, then drive off.
I can't remeber the organization but they were anti-car obviously. They were protesting crosswalk conditions at bad intersections and agreesive driving. If I remember correctly, many people shared Doug's reaction and it started making headlines because the cops couldn't catch them.
Personally, I find it disturbing but it certainly raised awareness. Damned if I wouldn't look both ways after seeing that.
|if its got to be underground so be it||ishmael|
Jun 13, 2002 7:56 AM
|I'll do it. Do you think I should? Disturbing? Maybe, but thats appropriate. Yes its morbid but obviosly so is the world, how much more morbid is it when it happends, might as well keep people in reality.|| |