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What the heck is.....tronracer
Jun 12, 2002 6:12 AM
a troll? I'm not familiar with the internet jargon and all the anagrams. What is a troll? The only reason I'm here is to learn more about road bikes being a mountain biker at heart. Thanks for giving me a clue.
re: What the heck is.....sievers11
Jun 12, 2002 6:20 AM
a mythical creature much larger than humans, but also are very dumb. Often times found living in the mountains clubbing humans on little two wheeled metal horses.
I thought trolls were bridge dwellers? (nm)Sintesi
Jun 12, 2002 7:20 AM
mountain trolls vs. bridge trollssievers11
Jun 12, 2002 8:07 AM
Mountain Trolls crush clumsy mtb riders with large clubs. While Bridge Trolls are friendly and sleep durring the day, letting road riders happily pass through.

For more more information, reference JRTolkin, Harry Potter or Mother Goose.
Ah yes. Thanks for the clarification. Good scholarship. nmSintesi
Jun 12, 2002 11:29 AM
Jun 12, 2002 6:27 AM
What is a Troll?

An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
So is Nick from PODIUMBOUND a troll?tronracer
Jun 12, 2002 6:46 AM
Seems like a lot of people don't like him. Does he do it on purpose? Nick, why do you think people get so upset with you?
maybe unintentionally nmDougSloan
Jun 12, 2002 6:52 AM
Trolls also do mostly personal attacks.brider
Jun 12, 2002 6:54 AM
So does that make YOU a troll?
flamers are a bit differentDougSloan
Jun 12, 2002 6:56 AM
Flaming is attacking directly, I think.

Trolling is eliciting flamers.

I just call em like I see em. I wasn't attacking anyone NMtronracer
Jun 12, 2002 7:01 AM
My take on Nick is...bnlkid
Jun 12, 2002 6:56 AM
since the accident his confidence, as well as his brain function, is suffering. He is tyring to gain acceptance with everyone here, and also trying to restore confidence in his own abilities. The harder he tries, the more he pushes people away. Hopefully with time, Nick will realize that there is a way to be humble and confident. I tend to ignore his comments an move on to the next post.
depends on the purposeColnagoFE
Jun 12, 2002 6:56 AM
i'd say a troll intentionally stirs the pot...someone might nick might just do it out of a irritating personality flaw.
Nick is not a troll.SnowBlind
Jun 12, 2002 7:00 AM
Trolls attempt to engage you in a debate for the sake of arguing, or they try to post statements so inflamatory as to wind you up. It takes a quite a bit of finesse to be a good troll, because you can't have people automatically picking out that you are a troll.

Nick, on th eother hand, is a crapflooder. A crapflooder, well, floods the board with crap questions and replies. It requires much less effort and intellegence to be a crapflooder than a troll.

True trolls are quite fun to have in small numbers. Unfortunately, this board has none. The closest was RRP, who was more of a trollette, as he lacked finesse
So that's what "Crapflooder" meant...LOLbiknben
Jun 12, 2002 10:27 AM
I noticed you wrote that in a few of his past posts. I imagined you were just blurting out nonsense because that's what you thought of the topic.

"Flooding the board with crap" Very appropriate! LOL
great link ...tarwheel
Jun 12, 2002 7:17 AM
And a reminder -- the best way to deal with trolls (or crapfloods) is simply to ignore them. By responding to trolls, in any fashion, you simply encourage them. They are looking for reactions -- good, bad or bizarre -- and the only thing that they can't stand is for others to ignore them. Believe me, it's the only strategy that works in dealing with trolls.
golf is not a sportmr_spin
Jun 12, 2002 6:30 AM
That's a troll.

A post specifically designed to generate responses. Analagous to poking a sleeping bear with a stick. Ideally, the poster will include something known to offend a large group of people (race, religion, etc.), thereby guaranteeing a large response.

P.S. Golf isn't a sport! It's a game. :)
Shimano and Litespeed suck (nm)pmf1
Jun 12, 2002 6:31 AM
It's a sport and a game.bnlkid
Jun 12, 2002 6:36 AM

"sport Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sprt)

Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
A particular form of this activity.
An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
An active pastime; recreation. "

"game1 Pronunciation Key (gm)
An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime: party games; word games.

A competitive activity or sport in which players contend with each other according to a set of rules: the game of basketball; the game of gin rummy.
A single instance of such an activity: We lost the first game.
games An organized athletic program or contest: track-and-field games; took part in the winter games.
A period of competition or challenge: It was too late in the game to change the schedule of the project. "
and a dessert topping...nmmr_spin
Jun 12, 2002 6:43 AM
lol. I think you were looking to say golfers are not athletes.bnlkid
Jun 12, 2002 6:49 AM
"ath·lete Pronunciation Key (thlt)
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts."
I think golfers tend not to be athletic, but can be athletessievers11
Jun 12, 2002 7:18 AM
not to be a troll, but
- top golfer are athletes, especially if you look at your definitions you posted.
- top cyclists are athletes

If you are not racing or competing in tournament then you are not an athlete in that sport. You may be athletic and I would agree that many more recreational cyclists are athletic than recreational golfers are athletic.

I am an athlete in soccer and played throughout college, but sense I have almost totally stopped. I ride much much more than I touch a soccer ball, I am athletic in I am competitive and have athletic tendencies when I get on my bike. But in the end I am in it for the recreation and passion of cycling.

But, you can't take "sport" or "athlete" out of the golfing world. There are some poor examples of athletes in the golfing world, Daily and company, there are also great athletes like Tiger and the Shark.
I don't disagree with you.bnlkid
Jun 12, 2002 7:33 AM
I was trying to help illustrate what a troll post might look like. mr_spin being the troll and me being the one he set off. :) It's all in jest. I used to spend all my free time on the golf course until I started cycling. Now there just isn't enough time or money for both.
right on, lightspeed sucks and campy rulessievers11
Jun 12, 2002 7:45 AM
yep, that's how the thread got sent down the golf road.

My golf reply was only aimed in the spirit of the thread, golfers are not athletes. lol
If it can be played while drunk, it is not a sport! LOL -nmTig
Jun 12, 2002 8:15 AM
If it can be played while smoking a cigar....Iseemo
Jun 12, 2002 8:48 AM
it is not a sport....however, it does require some skill.
definition of sportIndiana Rider
Jun 12, 2002 7:35 AM
Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
A particular form of this activity.
An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
An active pastime; recreation
Oh no! what have I done?...nmmr_spin
Jun 12, 2002 7:49 AM
Aha! I knew that driving to work was a sport!Kristin
Jun 12, 2002 8:38 AM
Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules (laws, I think they call them) or customs and often engaged in competitively. (Yes, very definately.)

A particular form of this activity. (A staggered start event that occurs for 5 consecutive days, followed by 2 recovery days. The goal is to cross the finish line before teammates, opponents, score~keepers, the media and most importantly...any officials).

An activity involving physical exertion (well, my car's exertion...which is sometimes accompanied by an elevated heart rate) and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs (laws again) and often undertaken competitively.

An active pastime; recreation (competitive and aggressive capturing of parking spaces at the mall would fall into this category)

What's your sport?
You've got to get out of Chicago, K, it is hurting you! (nm)RhodyRider
Jun 12, 2002 9:07 AM
Yes but, back in New England my biggest competitionKristin
Jun 12, 2002 12:54 PM
would be farmer Bob on his combine. Truly not as alluring. Then again, there is always Boston! I hear you can drive on the shoulders even.
Some trolls are fun. Wither the way of Trollman?Sintesi
Jun 12, 2002 7:24 AM
Did he perished in the 9/11 attack? God rest his trollish soul.

There's a Haiku in there somewhere.

and Trollman Too? He is no more too. :'(
that's my theory ...tarwheel
Jun 12, 2002 7:33 AM
trollman, RIP, disappeared right around 9/11. he also lived in the NYC area because his alter-ego was theodorek, who also disappeared around that time. unfortunate, as he was one of the few entertaining trolls. but perhaps we are romanticizing things a bit. he might be really annoying if he showed up again -- although there is someone who occasionally posts under the name trollman from time to time, but I don't think it's the same person.
Jun 12, 2002 8:42 AM
I remember reading Theoderek's post in a past "Profiles" thread. He did work in the WTC. I think that perhaps he is still around... (someone posted under the name "trollman" a few weeks ago). Perhaps he is enjoying his new status now that know one know if he is alive or dead.

Its still funny how he outted himself that day.
I always thought........AustinTexasRider
Jun 12, 2002 8:19 AM
maybe the term troll came from the term trolling as in "fishing". Rude people on the net "trolling" for whatever they can catch.

I always thought........Indiana Rider
Jun 12, 2002 10:11 AM
I'm single now and trol the bars... what a life I lead.
It's not (just) about the Trollsterry b
Jun 12, 2002 8:38 AM
You also need fertile ground to plant them in.

My 12 cent pop psychology theory - the board must have matured to where it has two levels and two types.

Inner Circle - busy posters, everyone knows their name

Outer Circle - lurkers or occasional posters, never really fully accepted.

Apologists - try to help Trolls lack of social finesse by reasoning with them and advising them on how to make their point without getting flamed. They want to be liked.

Cynics - call Trolls as Trolls and usually aren't very sweet about it. They want to be right.

If a Troll is going to be successful they need to get board members going at each other. The Cynics are railing about how bad the Troll is and the Apologists are asking the Cynics to cut them some slack. Typcially it's Outer Circle Cynics on the attack and Inner Circle Apologists on the defense. Once the Troll gets the battle going an occasional response is all that's needed to keep the fire burning.

Good example of a one time Troll flare-up - the "Draft Women" topic from last week on the Non-Cycling Board. Heavy bouts of reasoning and avoiding the question that finally degraded into name calling.

Best example of a Finesse Troll - RRP was a master at this and knew it - he played the board like a fiddle and people are still asking for more. Half the board wanted to help him overcome his obvious lack of social grace while the other half wanted to lynch him.

Other Trolls (Eugene, Cherry1, Trollman) rarely get the board going because their behavior is mostly annoying which even the Apologists cannot defend. They surface, fire and go back to lurking.
You wanna see a truly masterful troll?Mel Erickson
Jun 12, 2002 12:38 PM
Just go to the General Discussion board on MTBR.COM and click on the "Bear.....! " post. This one is a classic!
Real trolls.SnowBlind
Jun 12, 2002 1:09 PM
These guys are amatuers, try ready posts by streetlawyer, thurler and Reginald Johnson over on
They are some of the true Jedi masters of trolling.