|Regarding Rusty and the latest car/cyclist post||EJC|
Jun 12, 2002 5:57 AM
|First off, absolute best wishes to Rusty, his family, friends etc...and here is to his speedy and full recovery (if possible) AND here is to the woman who hit him. She is most likely suffering as well, as his HER family, friends etc...
I have a few thoughts in regards to the latest POSTING of another car-cyclist accident. It is always a tragedy when something like this happens. HOWEVER, we should remember a few things.
1) We are out on the roads. Accidents happen. No matter how careful and diligent we as cyclists are, or how diligent we are when we get behind the wheel of an auto, ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. Not EVERY incident involves suspicious circumstances. Sometimes bad things just happen. There have been times when I am driving my car (a very SMALL vehicle) and get taken by surprise by cyclists on the road/shoulder/??? and must swerve. I shudder to think what I would feel like if I should hit one by accident. The reality is, it could happen to me, or to ANY of us. How would you feel if everyone then started to second guess you, and play (to use an Americanism) "Monday Morining Quarterback"?
which brings up the second point...
2) In the responses to this post, there were several posts that said "There must have been a cell phone, or she was putting on make-up, or some other ponderance..." How do you KNOW? That is some dangerous and wild assumption. And we all know what happens when we assume. It is probably best to leave the assumptions to the professionals (investigators, police etc...) and wait until they finish, and release the facts BEFORE crucifying this woman. Based on the original post, it sounds like this was a classic example of bad things happening to good people. NO ONE WINS and EVRYONE involved suffers. Let's not add to the suffering by adding hearsay and conjecture into the fire.
Just a few thoughts. RIDE SAFE!!!
(raining yesterday and today, but hoping to get a good ride in tomorrow...SAFELY!)
|my thoughts exactly||mr_spin|
Jun 12, 2002 6:27 AM
|Everything is not knowable. Sometimes !@#$ just happens.|
|well said. nm||rideslikeagirl|
Jun 12, 2002 6:56 AM
|Do you have a point to this post..... or||bob_vanderhaus|
Jun 12, 2002 8:38 AM
|is it just a bunch of hot air saying that.
a. shit happens.
b. don't make assumptions.
My advise, ignore the reactionaries that start screaming "cell phone," and "makeup," and keep the shit happens stuff to yourself. I had a buddy that was killed on a motorcycle a few years ago, and some jackass from work said, "well he was going 50 mph on a motorcycle, what did he expect?" I wanted to smack him in the face, and I still do every time someone says "shit happens," when in fact, accidents always have a cause and someone is almost always legally at fault. I agree that accidents happen, but I think it is better to focus on how we can prevent them in the future, than to disregard them as part of life.
|gosh bob...no...no point...just "hot air"||EJC|
Jun 12, 2002 8:47 AM
|although, since you yourself had the where-with-all to surmise from my pointless sack of hot air that:
a. shit happens
b. don't make assumptions
I would hazard a guess that suggests there WAS a point and that your own intellect reached the conclusions on their own accord.
As for the "shit happens" sentiment and the wanting to "smack someone in the face" everytime you hear it, I would suggest that you get that lil' anger problem under some managed care. Guess what pumpkin, SHIT DOES HAPPEN, and getting pissed off because someone has the minerals to say it doesn't do much to
"...focus on how we can prevent them in the future, than to disregard them as part of life."
Want to know how to go about learning how to prevent them? The FIRST step is dialogue and discussion. Burying our heads in the sand and playing ostrich isn't going to help.
EJC <---shit that happened 34 years ago
|gosh bob...no...no point...just "hot air"||bob_vanderhaus|
Jun 12, 2002 9:04 AM
|I am not pissed, i just used the language to demonstrate how the term "accidents happen," is a frustrating response that is useless in the dialog of accident prevention.|
|Doesn't change the fact...||filtersweep|
Jun 12, 2002 2:59 PM
|Doesn't change the fact that she crossed the line and drove onto the shoulder... losing control (no other way to put it) during normal driving conditions.
Tell me there wasn't some form of driver negligence involved... even if only failure to pay attention- it is not NORMAL to veer onto the shoulder.