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Enough to put me off(28 posts)

Enough to put me offwarriorcharge
Jun 11, 2002 9:20 AM
I have only recently started reading and posting on this web site, I must say the level of elitism I have encountered worries me and to be honest puts me off riding in a group of fellow cyclists, I couldn’t believe the thread about tire label alignment, wow, I think I’ll keep riding on my own
I apologize,TJeanloz
Jun 11, 2002 9:30 AM
As a participant in the tire-label thread, I apologize, the entirety [I think] of the thread was meant to be sarcastic in nature.
I've re-read that entire threadjtolleson
Jun 11, 2002 9:31 AM
And it seems to me that almost every post was tongue-in-cheek. So, I'm wondering if you've misunderstood.

Who you ride with and where you post is your choice, but I fail to understand how that thread (or any thread) would not only make you disgruntled at this board but would make you decide you are destined to ride alone.
Jun 11, 2002 9:34 AM
that tire label thing was a joke. yes, tradition dictates that one put the tire label a certain way, but I rode for months with my labels placed 'improperly'. there is some elitism, but I seriously don't think that most clubs are snobbish as a whole. there may be one or two riders who think the world revolves around them, but they're just a few. it is far easier to notice the few idiots than all the nice guys.
Jun 11, 2002 9:47 AM
Well, I do not know where my labels face? Cannot find people that ride under 13mph. They must be a few. I bet they are snobs. Maybe I will quit!
I am the greatestWannabe
Jun 11, 2002 9:55 AM
I wanted to let everyone know that if I changed my citizenship, I could qualify for the Siberian National Beach Volleyball Team!

It's not elitism...biknben
Jun 11, 2002 10:00 AM
It's not elitism. There are a few of us who are here on a regular basis. We may be posting about something while remembering a post from a month ago. The tire label thing came up not too long go. This may be why people seemed to be really sarcastic.

It is very seldomly elitism. If it is, it's completely obvious. Posting here can be very humbling. Anyone with an eletist attitude will find out real fast that there are people here who can go harder, faster, longer, etc.

The links are to the last mention of tire labels and their acceptable placement.
DINOSAUR "OK, what's the dumbest thing you have done wrt cycling?" 5/23/02 9:38am
biknben "OK, what's the dumbest thing you have done wrt cycling?" 5/23/02 10:57am
The labelsbrider
Jun 11, 2002 10:05 AM
Mostly it's just a carry over from the mags. Check it out, it's actually pretty funny -- all the bikes displayed in ads and reviews show the label on the drive side aligned with the valve stem. It REALLY doesn't matter. I got in the habit of doing it early in my triathlon career when I was using some of those "wheel cover" fairings (meant to simulate a disk wheel). With those things on, you needed to have SOME clue as to where the stem was. So I just put the label next to the valve stem. Sometimes it was drive side, sometimes non-drive, but I started doing it out of necessity. Now it's just habit.
The labelsklay
Jun 11, 2002 10:16 AM
Putting the labels by the stem can also help you find any embedded crap in your tires when you flat. If the label was by the stem, and you know where the flat was in the tube, you know where to look on the tire to find glass, nails, thorns etc...


PS I also thought the label post was purely tounge in cheek.
The labelsJimP
Jun 11, 2002 10:17 AM
I think there were a couple of reasons for aligning the tire label with the valve stem. The first comes from tradition where the label on a tubular tire is aligned with the valve stem. The second is practical where you can check the inside of the tire at the point of a puncture by finding the hole in the tube and then feel the tire to make sure there isn't anything there that would re-puncture the tube. As to which side the label is on, someone else may remember how that got started.
I agree.... sort ofsalmonwheel
Jun 11, 2002 10:16 AM
Regardless of the tire lable thing the responses to many posts around here are rude, elitist, boastful, or uninformative. When I first started visiting this site there was a lot more useful information, people had problems would ask for someones advice based on experience , you see how it can work. Any question that doesn't start with "which bike should I buy" will receive more rude or insulting responses than helpful information. In particular, I remember a woman asking for advice on keeping motivated to ride after work, the basic reply she got was "find another sport, you're not good enough for this one."

I think there are a lot of posters who don't have much experience, but feel the need to respond either with insults, or rude answers, wrong information, or something they read on a website once which I think is where we get the repetition of rhetoric. Or even better a couple of morons will sling at each other for twenty reply's or so. But.................................

It's like everything else, If we all don't get involved because of the Jerks, the Jerks takeover and its hopeless. Most cyclists I encounter elsewhere are friendly people. I think the arrogance here is more of a function of the internet than of cycling. For some reason anonymity brings out the worst in some people.

If you rode with me, I would not call you slow, a fred, call your bike cheap a$$ sh$$, or boast about how I usually go x times faster. I would have to say something if your tire label was wrong or you left the nubs on your tires but I can only take so much ; ).
Thanks for the reminder.JL
Jun 11, 2002 10:31 AM
I forgot to remove the nubs on my new tires. :0)
please, no nubsDougSloan
Jun 11, 2002 10:35 AM
Anyone who cares too little to remove their nubs is not worthy of being called a "cyclist" nor participating in this forum.

Shave legs before nubs or you'll dull the blade - nmdzrider
Jun 11, 2002 12:16 PM
I like your HTML tags...mmquest
Jun 12, 2002 10:04 AM
maybe more people should do that and it would clear up a lot of things. Maybe we could try ("Tongue In Cheek") as well...
Well said, and yes, NO NUBS!! I'm an anti-nub man (nm)Sintesi
Jun 11, 2002 11:29 AM
Jun 11, 2002 10:27 AM
That whole thread was sort of tongue in cheek. Nonetheless, even if it were serious, it would have more to do with being anal than elitist.

This is about the least elitist bike forum you'll find. We'll jump all over someone's butt if they start acting elitist.

>"I'll keep riding on my own"

So, you say you are too good to ride with us? :-)

Gotta say Doug's rightscottfree
Jun 11, 2002 10:54 AM
As snobby and elitist as this board is (usually about how much money you HAVE to spend in order to get a DECENT bike), this is the most down-to-earth bike board I've found. Check out some of the others; they'll spank you right out of there if you're not EXACTLY one of 'Them.'

This board maintains a sort of comical diversity that makes the occasional outbreak of snobbism tolerable.
funny, indeeddzrider
Jun 11, 2002 12:34 PM
My comments and, I thought most of the thread, sought to make fun of people who were concerned about where others placed their tires' labels. It's pretty ironic that posts intended to poke fun at some of our fastidious friends and discourage applying form or fashion standards to others should be seen as elitist. Go figure!
re: Enough to put me offfunknuggets
Jun 11, 2002 10:28 AM
warriorcharge-as the original poster of that goofy label thread yesterday, it was definitely all in jest. You sometimes have to have thicker skin or a thicker head to hang around these parts. Most people here mean well, but are just bitter and mean because they are jealous of PODIUMBOUNDCA.

we'd all be better off. yet, here you are. no escape. no more.128
Jun 11, 2002 10:37 AM
no one here gets out alive. nmDougSloan
Jun 11, 2002 10:45 AM
as soon as you're born, you're dying? (nm)ColnagoFE
Jun 11, 2002 12:06 PM
re: Enough to put me offhikerryank
Jun 11, 2002 11:38 AM
You are welcome to continue riding by yourself (I do and have been visiting this board since I started on the road) but spend your work hours here with others who would rather think about riding than do work. I have been given a lot of good advice from this board and once and a great while, actually given a response which I hope helped someone else. I've never been flamed on the board (though I may be when I post tomorrow that I just picked up my tricked out new 5500) and anytime there is a person with a crappy attitude on the board, I just remember that they are stuck behind a desk instead of on the bike and I'd be in a crappy mood too in that situation. As for my status in the cycling world, I'd say I rank pretty low. I'm slow, never ridden more than 70 miles in a day, and this is the first year my computer has logged more than a 1000 miles. Stick around, there are a lot of good people on this board. Some are faster than me and ride better bikes with their labels matched to the valve while others are slower and still proud to show their shaved/not shaved musculer legs. I'd happily ride with anybody on this board as from what I can tell, deep down everyone here has a love of biking and are good people.
You hit the nail on the headLowend
Jun 11, 2002 12:23 PM
I'm stuck at work and would rather be riding. When I commute to work I end up stairing at my bike all day. It is no where as nice as most of yours, but it is my escape.
Man, you all are at WORK?p chop
Jun 11, 2002 6:33 PM
What a sucker I am, staying up too late or procrastinating instead of studying or whatever to troll this board.

A couple of months ago, I had a chance to put some of the stuff I was s'posed to be studying into a reply... but then I felt wierd 'cause I was s'posed to be procrastinating!

you cant be serious. or then again maybe youre too serious nmishmael
Jun 11, 2002 12:43 PM
Nature of the internetfiltersweep
Jun 11, 2002 2:28 PM
Sarcasm and humor don't always come off that well in this type of forum... there are no non-verbal cues to give it away. I've been in all sorts of hot water for a tongue-in-cheek reply to an email, when if the recipient heard me say the same in a face-to-face, they would have picked up the joke.

Secondly, the anonymous nature of posting lends itself to folks speaking their mind a bit more directly and behaving at times with an utter lack of decorum. It happens in ALL newsgroups, from what I've seen. This is certainly a more well behaved bunch than the pro-audio newsgroups that I visit.

Finally, it would be curious to SEE everyone who posts here- assuming they would be honest... or to ride with some of them. Anyone who slags a poster because of frame material or component group arguably has some serious insecurities.

There will always be a lighter bike, or a faster rider.