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Armstrong Statement(20 posts)

Armstrong Statementcyclejim
Jun 10, 2002 6:31 PM
I apologize if this has already been posted (tried a search but does the search function of this site even work?) but I was just browsing the site and they have posted his latest statement concering the French investigation of US Postal:
re: Armstrong Statementnamir in SoCal
Jun 10, 2002 8:06 PM
man...what is the deal??? SO LAME! when are they going to just let up? I must confess that as a newbie to this sport i didn't know of any controversy surrounding lance's win two years ago. can someone fill me in, or is all there is to know contained in that article? that's just ridiculous. thanks for posting the link!
The French are fanatics.Leisure
Jun 10, 2002 10:10 PM
All Europe is fanatical about sports, really. While I like some of this in that they take it seriously enough to develop all the strategies and put out some really cool products, stuff like this goes way overboard. Eventually they need to realize they are embarassing themselves. They look like a bunch of sore losers. And Lance only comes out looking like a better champion. It reminds me of Russia crying foul during the Winter Olympics when their pairs iceskating team had to share Gold medal status with the Canadian team that was clearly better. (Frankly, I think the Russian team needed to be stripped of the Gold and given the Silver. After all the scandal came out in the open, they should feel lucky to be allowed a medal at all.)
WE SURRENDER!!!....The French. NMbic
Jun 10, 2002 10:16 PM
They're sending a message of disrespect.. Typical Euro-trash!spyderman
Jun 11, 2002 12:11 AM
They can't accept the fact that an American has dominated their race.

LA won't kiss their arses, so they're gonna hold a ? over his performance out of spite.

LA should send a message of his own, boycott!!!
LA is in it for the money, he won't boycott theTDF. Too bad. (nmPaul
Jun 11, 2002 3:30 AM
LA is in it for the money, he won't boycott theTDF. Too bad. (nmNJRoad
Jun 11, 2002 3:34 AM
Of course LA is in it for the money. It's his job.
"typical Euro-trash"...tell me genius...EJC
Jun 11, 2002 5:09 AM
...when was the last time you actually LIVED in Europe?

Question for you, where do you live now? Where are you from originally?

Once again, this amazing sentiment of "Euro-trash" and the French being fanatics comes blazing through.

What we have here is a true example of a little bit of information being a dangerous thing.

America is involved in a "war" right now. Civil liberties are being stripped by the dozens each day. Would you then allow ME to make such a wide and sweeping statement that Americans are "over-reactive, aggresive, resource suckers" as a result? Or would you accuse me of generalizing and being incorrect on this assumption of Americans based on the behaviour they are exibiting these days?

Think about it, and think about what you spew forth in the form of rhetoric and nonsense vis-a-vis the "French" VERSUS an example of the French Judicial System gone awry...and while you mull that over, remember that the USA still allows capital punishment, lets rich murderers buy their way to freedom and has the highest per capita population of inmates in penitentiarys of any G8 nation.

The French are fanatics? I think not.

EJC - sick of the French slamming, and the blind eye turned to other less advanced and progressive countries and ideologies
take it to the non-cycling board, please. (nm)nova
Jun 11, 2002 5:14 AM
Lightin' Up, Francis!sidley
Jun 11, 2002 6:25 AM
You forgot to rant about guns!
I'll quote a rant for you....schimanski
Jun 11, 2002 7:02 AM
"For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings.
And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable.
And we're going to do something about it."

- George Bush Jr. Philadelphia, May 14, 2001 -

To me this just about sums it all up and I need not make any harsh statements or resort to name calling. ;)
like someone once saidJekyll
Jun 11, 2002 6:38 AM
The next time Germany overruns France, they should be made to keep it permanently as punishment for both.
don't lighten up too muchweiwentg
Jun 11, 2002 7:12 AM
what you say is quite true.
"EJC, face it, there is some truth to what I say...spyderman
Jun 11, 2002 10:01 PM
Granted, any generalization or stereotype is wrong. But it seems that we Americans have quite a few of these types of interactions with the French.

While in Spain for an extended holiday, we were on a group tour. We started in Madrid and toured the country side, Granda, Toledo, Sevilla...etc., then down to Costa del Sol, then up to Barcelona. It was a fabulous holiday. Lasted for about a six weeks.

We visited many historical sites and ate dinner regularly with a school teacher from Costa Rica, a Mexican couple, a bunch of Germans (they were a blast!), a Japanese couple, and a French family.

While we conversed and interacted with most of the group just fine, we tried to interact with the French family. They wouldn't even try. They basically snubbed us.

One evening one of their sons forgot his sunglasses at the dinner table. We saw this and returned them to the family. Not a single thank you... Just plain rudeness...

A week later, my wife was looking at a painting and suddenly the French woman shoves her out of the way so she could see. I saw it with my own eyes. Couldn't believe it!

We also met a very nice dude from Paris. He hitchiked all the way to Barcelona. Very nice. Who do you think we remembered mostly?

Euro's love to denagrate the American way of life, just like your post. Yet, when we visit other countries we constantly see an American influence and in part I think that makes certain people bitter towards Americans. They see their culture becoming "Americanized". Yet they adopt quite a lot of our "terrible" ways of life...

Now, you say Americans are "over-reactive and resource-suckers" but who shows up when there's a world disaster?

Who gives the most foreign aid to third world countries?

When there's an earthquake what organization shows up?

When another country invades a smaller one, who shows up?

Who leads the way with global financial, humanitarian, and military support?

Pre 9/11, who shows up when there is an American tragedy? We have earthquakes, floods...etc.

Are we perfect, no. Are the French? No.

LA's experience is utterly rediculous!
Oh oh!! Ill take this one....-JC-
Jun 11, 2002 10:56 PM
Thanks for making EJC's point.

BTW your lack of knowledge of foreign affairs is breathtaking! As for the forgin aid part:

For example, USA's aid, in terms of percentage of their GDP is already lowest of any industrialized nation in the world.
Since 1992, Japan had been the largest donor of aid, in terms of raw dollars. That was until 2001 when the United States reclaimed that position, a year that also saw Japan's amount of aid drop by nearly 4 billion dollars.

-Global Issues
Oh oh!! Nice try... but you just proved my point!!!spyderman
Jun 12, 2002 1:19 AM
Did I say anything about GDP???

Boy, your debating skills need a lot of help. Your lack of substance certainly shows a lack of knowledge.

C'mon, bring it on!!!
re: Their Pissed...jrm
Jun 11, 2002 7:59 AM
They can load the field with French teams, conduct unconclusive witch hunts for EPO..but they still cant win the f*cking tour. Now it sounds like there showing their sore loser side which is very "french" indeed.
French riders winning le TourTJeanloz
Jun 11, 2002 8:36 AM
I don't think the French are so desperate to win the Tour. They've only won 17 times since 1950, and only about 35 times in total; it's not like having a foreigner win is an unheard of travesty.

The real trouble they have, is that the great French hope, Virenque, turned out to be chemically enhanced, and now they're very skeptical about who is clean and who is not.

Frankly, people tend to confuse a number of different ideas, and lump all of 'the French' together as a single group. The French judiciary is conducting 'witch hunts' in regards to doping, the Societe Tour de France has nothing to do with it. The Societe Tour de France picked some lousy French teams for the race, but that is their right- the USPRO race picked some pretty marginal American teams too.

The French people, who often get glossed over, are among the greatest supporters of Lance Armstrong you will ever see. Ask an average American whether he admires Armstrong, and the answer will be: "I've heard of him, doesn't he race mountain bikes or something?"; ask a Frenchman, and you're stuck listening to hours of odes to His greatness.
Amen to this. Another thoughtful reply, TJ - kudos. (nm)RhodyRider
Jun 11, 2002 9:23 AM
French Judicial systemWannabe
Jun 11, 2002 1:19 PM
It really comes down to an American's view of the French judicial system, which is quite different than that of the US.

I personally don't care for their judicial system (I am American, and not ashamed of that fact) and their political system is scarry (you think politics here is bad? Try proportional representation!).

Their food rocks! Their wine rocks. Their culture rocks. Their support of cycling rocks. Their 2002 WC team sucks! Ha-ha! On the bright side, at least world cup fever will have substanitally dissipated by the time Le Tour rolls around.