Jun 10, 2002 12:12 PM
|this past weekend i did a non-drafting tri. about 20 miles into the bike leg i passed a fellow competitor who proceeded to jump on my wheel and let me tow her the remaining 10 miles of the course. after the race i was a bit upset at these tactics, but then realized that it was mostly my fault for not taking some action to dislodge her after that long a distance. my question is what should/could i have done to stop her?|
|re: stopping drafters||merckx56|
Jun 10, 2002 12:23 PM
|slow down, to the point where he/she has to come back around. let them pull for around a minute or so and as soon as they decide to come off the front, attack them! we have more wheelsucks, per capita, than just about anywhere in the world. if i see a certain person on my wheel, i'll do just what i said above. if we're in a paceline, i make sure they have to pull through. as soon as their pull is over, i surge through and jack the pace way up, thus, hanging them out in the left line. i've even gone so far as to yell at someone to pull through, or i was going to take them of the back and then chase across by myself.|
|it only works||cyclopathic|
Jun 10, 2002 1:03 PM
|if you can outsprint. if guy is a better sprinter you're a sitting duck.
I usually try to use hills. If I can't pull on uphill, I climb intentionally slower then sprint at the top and down on descent. Easy to beat, esp if you come from behind and guy is "waiting" to catch your wheel. Works really well if let him have your rear first couple times.
Also setting up an annoying fast/slow pace, hitting brakes hard and/or wandering around, riding into pothole makes drafter to back off, easier to take off. But if he is better sprinter you have no chance.
|people who suck wheel...||merckx56|
Jun 10, 2002 5:38 PM
|are usually those who will get shelled off if they have to take more than a couple of pulls anyway. i wasn't talking about coming to a sprint, it was just a general situation.
hitting the brakes hard is a bullshit response. i don't care if the person is a complete tool. i would NEVER endanger another cyclist in that manner! someone who is at their threshold or just not paying attention could clip your wheel and go down hard. that's not a viable option unless you want to get the rep for taking people down!
|re: stopping drafters||mclamb6|
Jun 10, 2002 1:12 PM
|every once in a while she would re-pass, get about 30 feet in front, and then put it into an easier gear at which point i would pass her again. i would then hear that tell tale click as she dropped it a cog and there she was, right on my wheel again. so she was never really taking a pull, which was also annoying. i considered trying to up the pace, except i wanted to make sure i had legs left for the run.|
|Ride a nice steady 45mph and they won't draft. nm||MB1|
Jun 10, 2002 12:26 PM
|Yup, took me forever to figure that out. No problems since. nm||Leisure|
Jun 10, 2002 10:36 PM
|use the cones||mr_spin|
Jun 10, 2002 12:28 PM
|A riding buddy was doing an Ironman, where drafting is definitely illegal. He was trying to qualify, so there is no way he was going to pull someone else to the finish. He couldn't shake the guy, so he led him into a traffic cone. Problem solved. The guy didn't go down, but he sure backed off and eventually disappeared into the distance.
I've heard of people getting DQ'd for doing this kind of thing (lack of sportsmanship), so do it at your own risk.
Jun 10, 2002 12:29 PM
|I think I would have turned and said, "You know we are not supposed to be drafting."
In some events, the puller can be penalized as well as the pullee, so you may have had every right to say something.
Having a drafter does actually assist the lead person a tiny bit, so having her there actually may have helped you.
|Being Drafted Benefits the Leader? - Please explain or define.||jose_Tex_mex|
Jun 10, 2002 5:35 PM
|I understand the benefits in car racing - the Bernoulli effect... However, for the speeds encoutered by cyclists during most rides < 30 and their much lower surface area this effect becomes insignificant.
Understood, you did say a tiny effect. Is this "tiny effect" mostly theoretical or do you (or anyone out there) have some data/studies to show that there's actually a measurable effect at least in whole seconds over a few miles?
|Ask her to do her share of the work... If not then...||spyderman|
Jun 10, 2002 8:45 PM
|come to a crawl then drop her like a rock...|
Jun 11, 2002 4:32 AM
|then YOU risk being penalized.|
Jun 11, 2002 7:11 AM
|Triathlons are supposed to be individual events. No teams, no drafting. When they allow drafting (such as in the Olympics), they ruin the sport. Basically, a strong runner wins every time because they can sit on for the entire bike leg.
On the bike, every rider is surrounded by an imaginary box. I forget the dimensions, but let's say 3 feet on either side and 15 feet front and back. Another cannot enter that box without threat of penalty, including disqualification. There are also rules on passing, when you must pass, how long it must take, etc. The whole idea is to prevent drafting.
There are similar rules used in time trials. At last year's Tour de France, Kivilev was very close to being penalized for drafting Ullrich. The referee told him to back off numerous times.
|Yup, I missed the "non-drafting Tri" part of his post... nm||spyderman|
Jun 11, 2002 10:16 PM
|officials on the course?||theBreeze|
Jun 10, 2002 12:36 PM
|I have wondered about this non-drafting stuff with tri's. Are there officials around who monitor this sort of thing? First remind her drafting is illegal, then threaten to flag an offical if she doesn't drop back.|
Jun 10, 2002 12:48 PM
|I bet if you said something she would have stopped. If not, you could have a tried any number of things. Threaten to tell an official, etc. If she got rude I'd then consider swerving to one side (like a road racer might do when trying to dislodge a wheelsucker). If you wanted to have fun you could blow snot rockets or spritz her with energy drink but I doubt it would be neccesary.|
|Sounds like Eagleman........||cdale02|
Jun 10, 2002 1:02 PM
|I was half way into the 56mile bike leg and began thinking that I may have gone out a bit too hard.....
Just then a group of 20+ riders passed me - from the back it looked like a peloton!
I recognized several of the riders in the group because I had passed them earlier - suddenly they were much stronger ... when they were in a paceline.
I sometimes think of attaching a digital camera on my bike and trying to capture these cheaters in the act.
Hope you had a good race.
|My personal fav...the Snot Rocket nm||rideslikeagirl|
Jun 10, 2002 1:09 PM
|re: stopping drafters||getoffmywheel|
Jun 10, 2002 1:26 PM
|Nothing you can do unless a race official sees it or you punish them with a blistering pace. Not like a bike race or training ride where you can get the person to work with you. It sucks becuase you get none of the benefits.|
|re: stopping drafters||JimP|
Jun 10, 2002 1:35 PM
|Actually, you shouldn't do anything. You are benefitting from her being on your wheel. She is the one that will be penalized if caught but you still benefit from her being in your draft and you won't be penalizeed.|
|Pull-off to the left||coonass|
Jun 10, 2002 3:35 PM
|and say "O.K., your pull!"....then fall back in behind her/him to rest your legs; if they don't get the message that they should be doing their fair share, and only pull for a short distance, then when they pull-off, you should crank it out (pretend there's 20 meteres to the Finish Line and Mario or Zabel is trying to cross that Finish line ahead of you :)) and drop their @ss.....aren't we all equal??....|
Jun 10, 2002 4:03 PM
|lock up your brakes occasionally, swerve for every perceived crack in the road, talk loudly to your voices, whip your sweat all over, be VERY unpredictable ;)|
|Ask General Hershey-Bar||Me Dot Org|
Jun 10, 2002 8:12 PM
|...oh well, you have to be of a certain age for this one...|
|Ask General Hershey-Bar||harlett|
Jun 10, 2002 9:03 PM
|.i've studied protest street theater and read about general wastemoreland and general hershey bar-- were you active in street theater?|| |