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RBR Anti-FRED suggestions gone awry....(27 posts)

RBR Anti-FRED suggestions gone awry....funknuggets
Jun 10, 2002 10:27 AM
Has anyone read something here, tried it and have it go wrong? I remember a while back a discussion about being FRED and stating that it was somehow morally wrong to have your tire labels on different sides. I didnt think much of it until the other day, I changed back wheels and found that my racing wheels were, in fact, FRED... ouch. So, in perfect RBR accord, I proceeded to change the front tire around to match the back (with the label perfectly aligned with the valve stem, mind you). HOWEVER, the damn clincher tires I have on these wheels are insanely hard to pull over the rim and I punctured two tubes with the tire tool trying to get the tire bead over the rim.... sheeshe. Goes to show, that meaningless fiddling to avoid being FRED will likely get you nowhere. Anyone else have any similar incidents...

I will have to admit, however, that the fact that I punctured two tires might make me more FREDish.
not really FREDJekyll
Jun 10, 2002 10:38 AM
There is a purpose to keeping your tire labels in a given spot (does not mean they have to face the same direction). If your tires are always in the same position on the rim and you keep getting a flat it is far easier to determine if there is still something in the tire (if you keep getting a flat in the same area of the tube - presto). At least that's my logic and I'm sticking to it.
the label should be OPPOSITE the stemSteveO
Jun 10, 2002 10:48 AM
the added weight of the label will help balance the tire against the added weight of the stem.

This assumes, of course, you've removed your federally-mandated reflectors.
Au ContraireTJeanloz
Jun 10, 2002 11:07 AM
While the battle will rage forever, the label should be on the drive side, at the stem. The reason being that then the maximum pressure reading is right there when you need it (when you're pumping up the tires).

The weight of the valve should be offset by the welded seam in the rim.
apparently my humour was also too understated.SteveO
Jun 10, 2002 11:13 AM
Nope, got it,TJeanloz
Jun 10, 2002 11:32 AM
just trying to point out the idiocy that the argument's taken on- something close to Litespeed vs. Seven or clincher vs. tubular.
Jun 10, 2002 12:34 PM
I think I heard that label placement relative to valve stem with tubulars is not the same, though. Anyone know anything about this?

Heard the same thingKerry
Jun 10, 2002 4:42 PM
but when I tried to move the label, things didn't work out.
the Fred partDougSloan
Jun 10, 2002 10:50 AM
I'm sort of against Fred labels, but if anything, the Fred part was changing the tires so that no one would think you were a Fred. I think the tire demons got you, too, with the punctures.

BTW, on the front, to solve the problem of the label being on the wrong side, you could have simply changed the skewer around, unless you have some sort of directional wheel.

On the Fred scale of 1-100, with Lance Armstrong as a 1, and the worst imaginable as 100, tire labels incorrectly positioned might get you a 3. Posting about it, though, might earn you a 20. ;-)

LOL :-)tronracer
Jun 10, 2002 10:58 AM
lance is a 10SteveO
Jun 10, 2002 11:18 AM
I've seen him use downtube shifters. very passe.
Not sure about the skewersdzrider
Jun 10, 2002 11:23 AM
After all if it matters which side the tire label is on, wouldn't it matter if the wheel label and tire label are in the same direction? Campagnolo Nucleon upside down and backwards is not a pretty sight and worse than that are the questions about leading and trailing spokes on conventional wheels.
Stimpy, you Eediot!SnowBlind
Jun 10, 2002 11:54 AM
The wheel labels must be readable from the drive side!
Jeez, don't you watch Martha Stewart? Have you learned NOTHING!
Aww, screw it, I am going to go try out the new Connex link that came in the post today.
I'm sure it was all worthwhileDaveL
Jun 10, 2002 11:21 AM
Such is the lot of a slave to fashion. Just think, you could have been out riding while you were puncturing those tubes. On the other hand, at least you had the flats at home.
I'm sure it was all worthwhilefunknuggets
Jun 10, 2002 11:45 AM
Holy smokes you crazy snakes... I was actually admitting (gulp)... to having a FRED moment. Sheeshe, I was more trying to elicit some of everyone's FRED moments, but have found that there is still some intense feelings around the tire label issue, so lets just drop this subject.

I was also just being honest with the masses letting you know that although it is hard to believe, I am not perfect, nor stylish. Afterwards, I just felt really stupid for even reading that goofy thread and feeling like I had to change them in the first place.

So, pardon me for noting my faults... and in all honesty I was supposed to be out cleaning the garage, not riding. Bikes come before garage cleanliness, right?
good naturedDougSloan
Jun 10, 2002 11:51 AM
It seemed to me that everyone was looking at this from a humorous perspective, and did appreciate you self-deprecatory remarks; at least I did.

I think you just bumped up to about a 30, though.

Sorry if you thought I was piling on.dzrider
Jun 10, 2002 12:22 PM
Putting any importance on Freddish appearance is kind of it's own punishment and you certainly paid your dues. As the list of things one has to do to avoid looking foolish grows longer, the reward for ignoring the petty details of peoples' bikes and clothes becomes greater.
I was going to ride with a bunch of guys with whom I'd neverbill
Jun 10, 2002 11:41 AM
ridden before, and like a teenager on a first date (I've got to say, my wife worries a little about the homoerotic aspects of this sport), I wanted to make sure that everything was perfect. I had just mounted a new set of tires, and, when I get to the meeting point, I see to my shame and horror that my front wheel label is on the non-drive side. So, I figure I could just turn it around.
What I had forgotten was that a little functional piece of equipment, i.e., my computer magnet, needed to be where it was.
It took me ahwile to figure out why I wasn't getting a speed reading.
I'm a little more relaxed about such things, now.
sort of the cure worse than the illness, huh? nmDougSloan
Jun 10, 2002 11:42 AM
It was literally my first experience with a paceline. I had nobill
Jun 10, 2002 11:53 AM
clue what was the pace. I don't know whether I was worse off from worrying about the equipment or better off from not having numbers/gadgetry to muck up my concentration.
But, yes, I'd have to say that, on the dork scale, the cure was far worse than the illness.
My tires have labels on them?fracisco
Jun 10, 2002 12:13 PM
I had no idea that my tires had labels, or that it mattered where they lined up. Maybe I'll go home and lightly sand them off the tire.

I'd hate to see where my electrical tape attachment of the sensor pickups falls.
I have a favorite pair of Detto PietroDaveL
Jun 10, 2002 12:35 PM
leather cycling shoes that I ripped near the right heel. Think the silver duct tape over the tear looks goofy or what ? It's quite a fashion statement, but it works.
they make black duct tape :-) nmDougSloan
Jun 10, 2002 12:46 PM
Can I be a fred ifPhatMatt
Jun 10, 2002 1:55 PM
I go buy the lance team kit. And not even own a Trek? Hmmm. I do like those Trek jerseys.

I wear mine when I go climbinglonefrontranger
Jun 10, 2002 2:07 PM
It really helps me feel stronger. I usually have a Camelbak on when I do this. On really long climbing rides I even put my MTB shoes / pedals on in case I feel compelled to w*lk. My hair sticks out of my helmet all dorky no matter what I do.

Sooo... How many Fred points can I claim, considering I won the Postal jersey as a prime in a crit?

One thing you should worry about iselviento
Jun 10, 2002 6:37 PM
why you have to puncture two tubes to install the tire. That's a bad thing if you have to change a tube on a century. As for the label sides, not a big deal. I think a fast fit rider comfortably on a well fitting bike won't be a FRED, whichever side the label faces.

Suppose Lance has his label on the non drive side, can anyone call him FRED?
You need style to go fast in our sport!PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Jun 10, 2002 9:23 PM
Just kidding! But I've always been the same way to a degree... I love my bike to look perfect and that includes the labels on the tires lining up with the valve stem. Because you know when riding along this is so important since everyone can see! But all jokes aside... if you bike looks perfect to you then you may be happier to ride it and noone can make fun of that.

Nick Corcoran