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Golden Gate Bridge / Presidio alert !!!!!!!(10 posts)

Golden Gate Bridge / Presidio alert !!!!!!!paulj
Jun 10, 2002 8:34 AM
There were two highway patrolman at the toll plaza snack bar this morning warning bicyclist that starting tommorrow they will be ticketing for running the stop sign there. I asked him if they were covering any other areas of the Presidio but he was somewhat vague although he did say that they would be looking for night riders on Cozelman road without proper lights and for speeding. Good luck.....
Jun 10, 2002 8:47 AM
I thought I read that they might start a toll for bikes and pedestrians, too. Anything to that?
Down there Sunday, they said $1 bikes, maybe $5 carscory
Jun 10, 2002 11:17 AM
That was unofficial, from a guard who seemed to have about all he could do to keep his pants up. But there have been stories in the Chronicle about raising tolls to $5 for cars and beginning a $1 or $2 toll for bikes and walkers.
is it still privately owned?DougSloan
Jun 10, 2002 11:55 AM
Wasn't the bridge originally privately owned? I recall that the tolls at one point paid off the original debt, but don't know what happened after that. Did it become publicly dedicated?

If public now, I can't see the rationale behind charging bikes and walkers. While there is a "cost" to cars and trucks using the bridge, I can't see that there really is for non-motorized vehicles (except for rescuing suicide attempts...).

Jun 10, 2002 12:36 PM
A large cost is paint. The salt air does a number on the bridege. That wear and tear happens regardless of who uses it. I heard on the news the other night that the current toll does not cover the current maintance costs.
Yeah, RRP to be the toll troll. -nmSnowBlind
Jun 10, 2002 2:51 PM
re: Golden Gate Bridge / Presidio alert !!!!!!!Me Dot Org
Jun 10, 2002 7:12 PM
I was stopped by a Park Ranger a couple of weekends ago after running a stop at Washington Boulevard and Kobbe Avenue (Near The World War II Memorial). I watch that stop sign pretty carefully now.

That's not the most tempting one to run, however. I'm keeping that one a secret for now.
re: Golden Gate Bridge / Presidio alert !!!!!!!TonyR
Jun 10, 2002 8:10 PM
Gentlemen (and Ladies) do not me started on the Golden Gate Bridge District. No, the bridge was never privately owned. Rather it is run by a 19, yes 19 member board which is APPOINTED by other politcos! It is corrupt by nature, and it isn't helped one bit by the inherently dirty nature of San Francsco/Bay Area plitics. Again, corrupt (ie: Wille Brown, John Burton, Don Perrata, etc.).
Each of these members gets a pension, has a staff, and numerous other perks, like free limo service on demand, etc. Do you want to see where far to much of the toll money goes, look right there, and none of them are elected, so there's nothing we can do about it.
When the bridge was built bikes weren't even allowed, and peds had to pay a toll to walk across just like cars. Eventually bikes were allowed. The tolls were to be dropped when the bridge was payed-off. Fat chance. No more ped or bike tolls, but cars fees keep going up and up.
The truth is that $.83 of every toll dollar goes to fund the district's buses and ferries, which run a massive deficit. The later is the worst offender, but again this is a very corrupt deal, as the well connected Leonadakis family is the primary beneficiary of the distrct funds for this boondoggle. The buses are more efficient, and could be run even better, if the underperforming routes were dropped. Paint my arse!
As for new tolls, I don't think that there will be one for cyclists on weekdays, but weekend looks likely for us and the peds. How much? I'd guess $1.
End of sermon on this. Sorry.
As for the CHP, most of them are no friends of cyclists. In point of fact alot of them have really bad attitudes (storm troopers). Just do what they tell you, and move along. They are not above lying in court, as I've seen it. The Park Police are pretty inept. Kind of a bad cross between Brinks guard and a bureaucrat. Just shine them, say you're from out of town, give them a sob story, and then don't get caught again. A few of them may be smart enough to remember you!
Just keep riding, stay safe, have fun, and enjoy the great weather.
re: Golden Gate Bridge / Presidio alert !!!!!!!NJRoad
Jun 11, 2002 6:02 AM
Looks like someone did get you started. I just wanted to point out one thing I disagreed with, you can't drop underperforming routes because alot of the people using them don't have an alternative and with ever increasing suburban sprawl, living a life within walking/biking distance from the home is no longer a possibility.
re: Golden Gate Bridge / Presidio alert !!!!!!!TonyR
Jun 11, 2002 7:40 AM
Yeah, I know I read this later, and I sure did boil-over. The problem is that I went to one of the "hearings" that the district held that was supposed to answer questions. No directors present, only bureaucrats who were there to TELL us why the tolls must be raised/initiated. No real discussion of operational costs, etc. Just more propagation of the bureacracy.
Since it appears that you're in New Jersey, I do want to explain that this district was designed to serve commuters. Having empty buses drive around between 12:00am and 5:00am just cannot be justified. In the current economy or any economy really having routes that serve as conviences for a handful of people can't be justified. Hence, some may have to wait 30-40min for a bus rather than 10-15min.
Again at the meeting, there was no mention of reduction in staff as possiblity.
Finally the GG Transit District doesn't serve that large area. The ferry boats are the height of folly and should be reduced significantly (commute hours only) or possibly eliminated, and replaced by buses.
The whole thing is corrupt.