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Ahhh, my bike is too heavy(14 posts)

Ahhh, my bike is too heavyPsychler
Jun 4, 2002 4:56 PM
I ordered a frame from Dean...full Ti. They said the 56 is 3.5lbs..OK, I went for it. They offered to build it for free. I took the offer. Upon building up the frame, with Ultegra, TTT handlebar, TTT stem, Heliums, Chris King headset, Ouza fork and carbon seatpost,...I came in at 19.5 lbs. I am really surprised. I was riding a 3lb Cdale frame prior...I am now thinking that this frame did not come in at 3.5, but I never got a chance to weigh it without components.
I called Dean...thinking that we could "trade up"...no dice . I own this frame.
So, I need to get stronger to make up for the weight. I am bummed out about the issue, as I am obsessed with weight (being 145 lbs myself).
Can anyone empathize?
re: Ahhh, my bike is too heavyweiwentg
Jun 4, 2002 5:19 PM
3.5lbs is not an especially light frame. still, it should be a bit less than 19.5. this was with bottle cages and pedals? you could change tubes and tires - immediately noticeable difference there, but of course race tires aren't durable.
I can empathize, sort of. I weigh in at 120. I also need a light bike. of course, my TCR frame does weigh over a pound less than yours ...
re: Ahhh, my bike is too heavyJuanmoretime
Jun 4, 2002 5:39 PM
I ride a very large size so the weight of my ti frame is 3 lb 11 oz. I still have it built up under 17 lbs. The frame weight is fine you need to evaluate each component and determine if you could go lighter, and how much lighter and at what cost. Look at the rotating parts first. You can shave some serious weight going to a Dura Ace crank and bottom bracket. Usually another area to look that is the least harmfull to the wallet is the saddle. Lol.
re: Ahhh, my bike is too heavyBroomwagon
Jun 4, 2002 5:47 PM
Question for Weiwentg:

I'm in the process of specing and buiding an ONCE TCR (small). I'd be interested in your ideas of what components to use, what grouppo you are running, etc.

If you get a chance, please email me at agl@attbi.com

Thanks, Broomwagon
how did you weigh it?DaveG
Jun 4, 2002 6:10 PM
Perhaps the accuracy of the scale is not so good. I would have imagined this building up a bit lighter too. I don't think you can blame it all on the frame - even a superlight frame isn't going to be much lighter than a pound less. You could probably build a spreadsheet with the weight of all the componets to find a projected weight. As to your question of "can you empathize?" I'll have to answer no - all my bikes are steel and none weigh less than 20lbs. A 19lb "boat anchor" will probably not ruin your life. But if you can't sleep at night I'm sure a few part swaps and a fistfull of cash can help the situation. Weight aside, how do you like the bike?
Bike weightNessism
Jun 4, 2002 6:39 PM
So the total bike weight is 19.5 lbs. and you blame this on a 3.5 lbs. frame? Actually, this is a good weight for a Ti frame since it means that they put some metal into the tubes. Too many Ti frames these days are noodles because people are buying based on weight and manufactuers are forced to spec needlessly thin tubing to stay in business.

So getting back to the frame weight, 3.5 lbs. is only 18% of the total weight. Don't forget, the frame is the backbone of the entire bicycle. If you want a lighter bike you need to look at ALL the parts, not just the frame.

FYI, a Litespeed Classic/Tuscany in a 56 cm size is a similar weight according to Litespeeds web site.

Enjoy, it sounds like you purchased are very nice ride. Don't worry so much.

Ed
Try this...Ahimsa
Jun 4, 2002 6:55 PM
Go to the bank and take out all the money you have. If possible, remove any additional moneys trusted to you by others (ie: parents retirement fund, children's college education money). Return home and prop the Dean up in the corner of your gargage. Under each wheel of the bike you should place a common digital lab scale. The weight of the bike is (of course) the combined registered numbers on the two scales.

Now, proceed to throw money at the bike. Watch the scale carefully. As you toss money at the bicycle, you should notice a very small (miniscule even) decrease in weight. Bear in mind that the ratio of dollars to grams is very high. You may need to take occasional breaks to avoid wallet cramps and calls from your accountant. Continue to throw money at the bike over a period of weeks until the combined numbers on the scale are satisfactory to you. This may take longer depending on how much money you have available to throw at the bike. Be patient and throw large sums.

Bear in mind that once you have reached a certain weight point the throwing of money should cease immediatley. You will know when you have thrown enough money at the bike on your first ride. It will break.

Good luck!

A. (Think light.)
re: Ahhh, my bike is too heavyszybki
Jun 4, 2002 7:09 PM
Why use Ultegra if you're so obsessed with what the scale says? Is that weight with pedals? If so, that's pretty good. If the bike rides good, what's a half pound (compared to your old Canny) matter? Just ride it.
I have a 57cm Classic and Vortex and bothLazywriter
Jun 4, 2002 7:23 PM
weigh 2-3 lbs less than your Dean. I think your frame weighs more than advertised. My Classic has Dura Ace with Speedplay x2s and light weight skewers and even open pros and it is 17.5 lbs. Don't know why yours weighs in at 2lbs more and mine was weighed at LBS on a bike scale so they are legitimate weights.
My Vortex has a 3lb frame weight and with Dura Ace and same pedals and wheels is about 16.5-16.75lbs depending upon what tires and inner tubes I use. (20mm and ultralight tubes help). But I save a nice chunk of weight with light weight skewers as well and the Speedplays.
You must have heavy pedals and saddle or something because my bikes are lighter without trying, but Dura Ace saves 1/2 lb right there.
Snicker Snicker.SnowBlind
Jun 4, 2002 9:55 PM
My steel bike weights 19lbs 4oz, and that is with a hefty saddle too.
Honestly, it is probably the scale.
Kinda. But really,djg
Jun 5, 2002 6:43 AM
I think folks are right to ask about the scale and to ask whether this is a fully built bike--bottle cages, pedals, etc.

As for trading the frame: I'm guessing it's highly unlikely to be 4 pounds and that there's really no way to shave 2 pounds off the actual weight of your frame and still have a strong, all-purpose road frame in your size. There are some obvious places to save weight on the kit, but I don't think that you'll really notice a half a pound difference in most riding conditions.

I've not ridden a Dean but I did get a close look at a couple at the Clarendon Cup this past weekend and they looked to be nicely built and well finished bikes.
Go Dura Ace, get lighter bars/stem..elviento
Jun 5, 2002 7:05 AM
Go Dura Ace, get lighter bars/stem if they are not already below 350g. Drop a pound instantly. Pedals can make a huge difference, Time v. Speedplay, half a pound right there.

Seriously, straight gauge ti tubing is kinda heavy, and a 3.5lb frame is normal. But high end aluminum frames are typically 2.5lbs these days.
Have you RIDDEN the bike yet?Gator
Jun 5, 2002 10:03 AM
Why oh why are people so obsessed with weight? Look, you've got a well-build, substantial ti frame with excellent components. Chances are the bike is going to ride like a freakin' dream and will beat you up far less than your spine-powdering c'Dale.

RIDE THE BIKE. Chances are the handling and ride will more than make up for the .000005 seconds you'll lose for having a bike a pound heavier than the next guy's. If you're that worried about it, spend $5 on some bran muffins and take a two-pound dump before you ride.

Seriously, unless you're a CAT 1 pro, a pound or two is NOT going to make much of a difference -- comfort will.
19.5??? Mine is 25 lbs. & I weigh 120.Allen az
Jun 5, 2002 8:56 PM