Jun 4, 2002 11:15 AM
|Just wanted to give a little instruction here relevant to your "born or made" thread below. Some comments were made regarding humility, and your reply was about your wording and trying to make it as humble as possible. Well, the problem isn't in how it was stated, but rather that it was stated at all. Believe me, if you're as good as you say, we're gonna hear about it in the magazines. Most of us have seen the blow-hards come and go. And it usually doesn't take long for both of those events to happen. If you've got questions, then ask them. Let the mags do the chest beating for you. You'll actually find sponsors appreciate that a lot more as well. And you'll have a lot more friends along the way. I'd suggest a reading of Dale Carnegie's book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" (I think this should be required reading at the high school level for EVERYONE). |
Any way, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. Keep training hard. Keep winning. We'll see you in the Olympics.
Jun 4, 2002 11:22 AM
|I agree completely the main problem is saying what I say. Not how I word it. Thats why I say you people have no idea how I act in real life yet judge me on how I say stuff on here. If I tell someone I'm on the national team or I crashed or any other story for that matter I tell it once. And only once. If they ask about it again then I will answer any questions they may have.
However, this same concept doesn't mean I can't wear my national team jacket whenever I want as long as I represent myself well. But its a national team jacket... I don't say a word unless someone asks. Just like my national championship jersey or the scars on my elbow from my crash.
Nick Corcoran (going to buy how to win friends and influence people)
|Actually, it does mean that,||TJeanloz|
Jun 4, 2002 11:28 AM
|I've never known anybody who wore their National Championship jersey (except in race situations where it was required). Or team jackets/clothing outside of a competitive procedure. The complete tools are the guys who wear their National team jackets like a medal- they look like three year old kids who refuse to take off a participation medal they got because they're so proud of it.|
|Why I wear it...||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Jun 4, 2002 11:34 AM
|I'll explain why I wear it:
1) I'm proud of it.
2) I wear it to and from training most of the time, rarely when I go out however. I'd like you to note while I'm working out however I never wear it. That is because I let what I do speak for itself.
3) I know people notice and if they ask I will explain to them what it is in a heart beat. Everyone is an embassador of the sport however, when I wear the jacket I become an even bigger embassador since I am one of the best in Canada in one discipline of the sport.
4) The national team has sponsors. I want to let people know who sponsors me. Then of course its good for me to wear it when I approach a potential employer or sponsor.
Jun 4, 2002 11:38 AM
|Another point I'd like to make is a medal you win as a kid is over and done with... you've won it. You've gotten your glory and its as much glory as you'll probably ever get about it. Same with any medal. It doesn't mean you can't display them at home and if someone asks you tell them but you don't wear it around your neck.
However, a national team jacket is far different. You are on the national team... you are the best your country has to offer (albeit it in YOUR sport) so you have every right to wear it. And this is the reason I wear it. If I wear it when I am no longer on the national team however I have ever right to be looked down upon as someone who won't put the past behind them.
|You are so right,||TJeanloz|
Jun 4, 2002 11:47 AM
|That settles it. I'm wearing my Nationals medals to work tommorrow.|
|And I'm going to wear my Wonderbra||AllisonHayes|
Jun 4, 2002 11:55 AM
|Now, I ask you, just to underscore the whole absurdity of this, who is going to get the most attention?|
|I don't know,||TJeanloz|
Jun 4, 2002 11:57 AM
|My medals are only so impressive- yours?|
|Well, they seemed to be a big hit one year down||AllisonHayes|
Jun 4, 2002 12:06 PM
|in 'nawlins during Mardi Gras. But then, everything is a big hit then.|
|does podiumbound reminds you of yourself TJ?||ColnagoFE|
Jun 4, 2002 12:18 PM
|unsolicited 2c here...you seem to come down pretty hard on our budding canadian cyclist...usually people get the most pissed at people who exhibit some part of themselves that they don't particularly like to admit is a part of them as well.|
|by that i meant when you were his age...not now (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Jun 4, 2002 12:22 PM
Jun 4, 2002 12:29 PM
|He reminds me of who I was before I could see the big picture. And now, with more experience, I realize how wrong a lot of my attitudes were. It took me getting to know a lot of guys a lot faster than me, who were a lot more subtle, to learn that loud and obnoxious gets you nowhere in this sport. And also being around a lot of obnoxious guys like myself, and realizing that they (and by association I) wasn't that much fun to hang around.
I learned that it was better to be a real person first, and not make bike racing a personality. Nobody want's to hang out with somebody who has nothing going for them but being able to pedal a bicycle, and the ability to talk about pedaling a bicycle. In a few words, get a life beyond racing, it will do much better for you in the long run.
|well, then, I'm going to wear MY Wonderbra.||bill|
Jun 4, 2002 12:07 PM
|oops. who said that?|
|I think we need a gathering of the Full Monty RBR brothers||AllisonHayes|
Jun 4, 2002 12:33 PM
|and the RBR YaYa Sisterhood. We can all sit around, trade medals and reveal our divine secrets of success and other things (cycling related of course).|
Jun 4, 2002 12:50 PM
|Evidence. I'm from Missouri.|
|Actually, it does mean that,||bob_vanderhaus|
Jun 4, 2002 12:20 PM
|Every person on a racing team that I know, wears their kit 90% of the time they are out riding? I have also seen more than one legit national jersey on our Saturday morning ride.|
|Actually, it does mean that,||rwbadley|
Jun 4, 2002 8:24 PM
|Like our President, ever notice the jackets he wears? They all say PRESIDENT on front. Why? To remind us? or him?
Sorry for the dig
|Nick, you crack me up!||AllisonHayes|
Jun 4, 2002 11:32 AM
|Reading your posts are kind of like watching that Aflac commercial with Yogi Berra. (huh? what did he say?) |
That's ok, I got it and it is too bad others don't see it.
(yer still kewl; we're all pullin' fer 'ya chap; just keep workin' and you'll be allright; one day, we'll all sit around and comment about how we knew Nick when he was just a pup.)
Jun 4, 2002 11:42 AM
|Come on, the foolish handle kind of says it all. |
And I kinda have to agree with TJ that its the perspective that counts. How many guys bouncing a basketball around some playground in the south side of Chicago could make it onto the Lithuanian basketball team if they lived there? Probably quite a few. But they aren't ever going to make the Olympic team, much less the NBA here.
I think you're just some troll anyway.
|Mr. PODIUMBOUND has GOT to be a troll.||gregario|
Jun 4, 2002 12:11 PM
|I've never seen anyone this obtuse unless they were doing it on purpose. Like you say, even his user name is pretentious.|
|if he wasn't before, he is now...nm||mr_spin|
Jun 4, 2002 12:15 PM
|yeah you lose one and another takes their place (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Jun 4, 2002 12:20 PM
|Funny how that is||pmf1|
Jun 4, 2002 12:37 PM
|As soon as one goes, another pops up a week or so later. Are they all the same guy? |
Fill in the Troll List chronologically (I know I've ommitted a bunch)
Bowl of Noodles
Jun 4, 2002 12:55 PM
|Bowl of Noodles puts all the more recent trolls and flamers to shame. He'd come right out and call you every 4-letter name in the book, and then some. He was a bit obvious, though.
|it goes back a lot longer than that||ColnagoFE|
Jun 4, 2002 1:51 PM
|I've been on some forum or other for years now. Bowl of Noodles was once a regular poster at the old Bicycling.com forum before he came over here to haunt us. Doesn't anyone remember Goatroper? Or was the the cyclingforum.com forum?...he faked his own death and pissed a ton of people off in the process. And who can forget Ian (I think from cyclingforum as well) who supposedly worked for Rabobank. A stable of collectible Colnagos and trophy wives to boot. Turned out to be a troll as well. There was some dude on the old bicycling.com forum who called himself Answerman who spoke in the 3rd person like Trollman and supposedly was some old ex-pro who was always giving bizarre advice to people on how to train. Stuff like hauling 200 lbs of barbells up a hill while in your 53x11 in order to be able to climb like he could. I'm sure I forgot some as well, but those are the ones that come to mind as being a bit more interesting than the average trolls.|
|who was the one who praised himself but got caught? nm||DougSloan|
Jun 4, 2002 1:54 PM
|That would be Trollman.||Spinchick|
Jun 4, 2002 2:10 PM
|Forgot to sign out as Thioderek and sign back in as Trollman. Then told himself he needed a sponsor. D'OH!|
|I was embarrassed for the guy, but LMAO. nm||DougSloan|
Jun 4, 2002 2:16 PM
|A couple more||mickey-mac|
Jun 4, 2002 7:59 PM
|Remember Johan, who thought anyone who rode anything other than lugged steel with Campy was an idiot and wasn't shy about saying so? Gregg actually threatened to banish him before the pulled his own plug: |
Johan "REAL men ride ride REAL steel" 3/8/01 6:23pm
Another short-lived but rabid poster was Wailer, who did battle with grzy over the Perfect Gas Law or something along those lines. Here's a particularly lengthy entry by Wailer:
Wailer "Forum Pact, Part II" 6/15/01 12:12am
|if he wasn't before, he is now...nm||key|
Jun 4, 2002 12:41 PM
|Nick I think your well on your way to being a great contender in the SPECIAL OLYMPICS! With all the attention you have brought on yourself, you would need to be Lance to impress everyone here now.
Jun 4, 2002 2:50 PM
|2575 views of posts by or about PB.CA on the front page...
11970 total views for the first page...
that equals 21.5%.
it's like y'all are addicted to him.
|Kinda like a car wreck, huh? nm||rideslikeagirl|
Jun 4, 2002 3:01 PM
|what if he's clicking on his own post? nm||DougSloan|
Jun 4, 2002 3:22 PM
|Troll or not...||empacher6seat|
Jun 4, 2002 4:02 PM
|I find it funny that so many of you get so worked up over what people post on the internet.|
Jun 4, 2002 6:36 PM
I think that you are a strong rider. I on the other hand have never won a national championship, neither have I even progressed beyond a meager cat 5 in my limited experience as a bicycle racer.
I do however know a few people that have been big in cycling. My friend Sam Baker was the Junior national champ in the road race as well as the junior national champ in the match sprint. Never did I hear him talking about how good he was. Unfortunatly he had a sever medical problem and, now he has found other things to interest his life and is no longer a competitive cyclist.
On the national team for the U.S. in the mid 90's he was a training partner of Marty Nothstien(mabey you have heard of him), he has done pretty well for himself in some track events.
Anyways, Sam was down to earth and didn't boast or bring undue attention to himself, even though he was an olympic hopefull, and had the strongest legs of any human that I have ever met.
I will be honest. I think that you are a very strong rider. I just don't like you drawing attention to your self and it makes me wonder, as to your motivations.
In any case I wish you the best of luck and tear'em up.
hopefully , We'll get a chance to read about you in Velonews.
Take it easy,
Jun 4, 2002 8:45 PM
|Thanks for the post. Its hard to tell how arrogant I really am from just reading posts. In real life I try to be as down to earth as possible and let my riding do the talking. On here of course that is not an option. You have to say what you've done since people can't see me ride or see how I look physically. And people take that as arrogance.
Jun 5, 2002 3:16 AM
|At some point I'm going to stop posting to these threads, but as of now, I still can't help it.
You shouldn't feel like we need to know who you are to make your opinions valid. A few pretty decent pros are among the regular posters here (or have been in the past), and some truely great riders have been among the occasional visitors. For the most part, how fast you are doesn't vindicate you in these circles, most people find it more annoying than interesting. Us seeing your incredible physique doesn't make us think more of you. It is, in fact, more about life, as you can only be yourself.