|any difference: tcr zero & tcr team?||Maverick|
Jun 2, 2002 10:54 PM
|currently looking for a climbing frame. does the tcr zero and tcr team shares the same frame material etc? btw, what's the difference between the standard tcr compared with the tcr anodised?
a pic of the tcr zero
|re: any difference: tcr zero & tcr team?||wysiwyg|
Jun 3, 2002 3:49 AM
|Only difference is the paint if you are just comparing frames.|
|re: any difference: tcr zero & tcr team?||Beaver|
Jun 3, 2002 4:57 AM
|Yep. What he said. All TCR frames are the same. The owner of my LBS has a TCR anodized frame and it looks good from across the shop, but not up close...IMHO.|
|check with your LBS||weiwentg|
Jun 3, 2002 5:16 AM
|the material is the same. however, Giant's website lists the Team frame as 2.2 lbs, and the standard TCR frame as 2.4 lbs. yes, I know, you could also spit twice :p
the sole difference is probably that the team frame is anodized.
|check with your LBS||wysiwyg|
Jun 3, 2002 6:54 AM
|Last year's team model wasn't anodized, but rather painted yellow. It weighed in at 2.2 pounds. I wonder what is up with the .2 of a pound difference? Makes no sense to me. Were you comparing the same sizes?|
|check with your LBS||weiwentg|
Jun 3, 2002 7:57 AM
|i'm comparing the claimed weights on Giant's website, for medium frames. maybe this year's team model is anodized? no idea. I only own one TCR, mind you.|
|re: any difference: tcr zero & tcr team?||mixinbeatz|
Jun 3, 2002 6:56 AM
|I have had both and I would buy the zero, the paint does not chip nearly as easy. The only difference in claimed weight is between the allow and chro-mo steering tubes. Both the team and the zero shipped with the same fork and steering tubes making this a non issue. Giant isn't very organized in this fashion, so you never know what kind of steerer or paint design you are going to get when you order a frame.|
|I meant that the weight diff. was because....||mixinbeatz|
Jun 3, 2002 6:58 AM
|of an alloy steerer(not allow) compared to chro-mo.|
Jun 3, 2002 8:46 AM
|Anybody else sick of seeing yellow Giants? That ONCE team color thing got old quick, the new color (like the pic) looks nice.|
|I've got both and...........||JohnG|
Jun 3, 2002 10:09 AM
|I've still got my 01 ONCE frameset and I just got my 02 black ONCE frameset. The 02 looks like shit compared with the 01. Cheesy stickers replace the nice paintwork. It's still a good frame and better overall than the 01 (due to the stiffer fork) but the graphics really suck. |
|I am more sick of seeing Postal colored Treks||wysiwyg|
Jun 3, 2002 3:57 PM
|I guess everyone jumped on the Lance bandwagon. The first year that he won the tour was the worst. That blue paint was ugly. They have done a lot to improve their appearance.|
|2002 medium frameTCR = 1300g = 2.8 lbs||str8dum1|
Jun 3, 2002 9:21 AM
|nowhere near 2.2 or 2.4 pounds!!
our squad of 30 riders all race the 2002 TCRs and not one weighed in under 2.6 lbs for a medium. plus the fork is a porker at 540g with a cut steer tube!
anyone that buys that bike at retail is getting robbed!
|2002 medium frameTCR = 1300g = 2.8 lbs||flying|
Jun 3, 2002 11:35 AM
|Wow 1300 grams + 540 for the fork = 1840 or 4.05 lbs. !!!
Geez I was think of trying a *light* climbers type frame but
all these post are telling me my MXL is pretty dang close.
In fact if I got rid of the Flash carbon fork which is advertised as 490 grams but really weighs 600+ grams.
Replaced with a 350 gram all carbon I would already be there!
Interesting man does any of the manufactors tell the truth about weights?
Jun 3, 2002 12:36 PM
|The mfgr. CLAIMED weight is often that of the smallest frame they make, and even then they weigh each as it comes off the assembly line and use the weights of the lightest 10% or so they can find. Or (old engineer's trick here), they can CLAIM the combined weight of the raw tubeset and lugs (if applicable) without figuring in paint, solder, decals, braze-on bosses, dropouts, etc...
Oh, yeah - that Mike Burrows seatpost is a HUGE porker. My Cat I buddy, who's a 130-lb climber, built a medium TCR with Dura-Ace (and he does use a DT shifter on the left side), a WoundUp fork, his old trusty Heliums, a Flite TT, a USE alloy seatpost and SPD-Rs, and it is a feather compared to stock specs. With pedals but without bottles on it weighed 15 lbs, 13 oz on the shop scale.
Incidentally, as a fellow Colnago rider - try switching out the fork and getting lighter wheels first. The Colnago ride is IMO incomparable to any other frameset for suppleness and that "cornering on rails" feeling. I think a lot of it has to do with their fork & head tube geometry, because I tried a friend's CT-1 that had a Profile on, and the difference was both distressing and amazing.
And I can't explain how much difference a good set of wheels will make, you just have to trust me on this one. This type of perceived effort matters a TON when you're climbing: my Mavic Cosmos training wheelsets feel something like 2-3 mph slower than the Zipp 303s I use for racing. You can build incredibly light, bombproof wheels at non-boutique prices if you have a good "wheelmaster" at your LBS.
The difference between the Force (all carbon) and Flash forks is quite substantial weight-wise. I have the Force on my Dream. I do believe the 490 grams was the advertised weight of the Flash year 2000 fork, which they changed to a steel steer tube for 2001 after warranty issues with the alloy one.
|2002 medium frameTCR = 1300g = 2.8 lbs||wysiwyg|
Jun 3, 2002 3:59 PM
|How can you claim they are getting robbed when they can purchase the same pro quality frame that Once once rode before the carbon for around $800. I think they are a heck of a deal.|
|re: any difference: tcr zero & tcr team?||NJRoad|
Jun 3, 2002 11:59 AM
|I thought the difference was from the weight of the paint itself. The anodizing process is a color treatment of the frame material (kind of like staining wood as opposed to painting it). Am I wrong?|
|re: any difference: tcr zero & tcr team?||clintb|
Jun 3, 2002 4:41 PM
|The team model is painted and the zero is anodized. I don't really know if any weight is added from anodizing, negligible if any. I personally love the look. Very resistant to scratches and cleans super easy. Don't know about the finish of any models lower than the zero though.
I've got a large 2001 TCR zero (all DA) that weighed in at 17lbs 12oz. It was straight from the dealer, all stock parts as delivered from Giant and no extras. Weighed on a digital hanging-type fish scale. Not sure how much the frame weighs. Fork was 436g.