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Holy Cow, what a ride by PT (spoiler)(27 posts)

Holy Cow, what a ride by PT (spoiler)BAi9302010
May 30, 2002 8:03 AM
Pavel Tonkov had an amazing ride today and dropped everyone, if he can gain back 3 minutes in the next couple of days (he's also a good time trialer on flat courses), he could definately win. Today alone, he gained back over 4 mins on Tyler, oh well.
yeah, and...(don't read me if you're just going to get annoyed)gregario
May 30, 2002 8:07 AM
Evans lost something like 17 minutes (i don't recall correctly) and Frigo 12 or so.

Think Tyler can make up the time to Salvodelli in the TT?
LOL, our messages the same at the same time....longfellow68
May 30, 2002 8:16 AM
Cadel is 15th in GC, 14 minutes down... he musta cracked bad....
Wish Tyler was a little closer, like 40 seconds... but who would of picked Salvodelli to win this?
re: Holy Cow, what a ride by PT (spoiler)longfellow68
May 30, 2002 8:07 AM
What about Frigo and Evans totally blowing up???
LOL, they are out of top 10 GC now... what a turn of events.
Its going to be a TT dual between Hamilton and Salvodelli.
Can he make up 1:28 on the TT??
re: Holy Cow, what a ride by PT (spoiler)Thoth2
May 30, 2002 8:15 AM
He made put 1'35" into Salvodelli in the Stage 14 TT, which was shorter, albeit harder. So, if Tyler's got good legs, then I think he can probably make up the deficit, even granting the 30" the Maglia Rosa seems to give people. Salvodelli will have wings. But Tyler is unquestionably the better TT'ist.
Thoth
One of the best stages I've ever seen..................chopper
May 30, 2002 8:30 AM
It really can't get anymore exciting than that. Did you see how Evans was just all over the road. He was 8 minutes behind with just 1KM to go and ended up losing 17 to Tonkov. 9 minutes for 1KM, that is unbelievable! I would have liked to see him when he finally got to the line, I bet he just fell over. I give Tyler slim chances to gain that much time in the TT, but at worst he should be 2nd on the podium, he never would have got that with USPS. The guys got guts after hanging in there after that horrible crash and for that I will always like him as a rider.
Why do you think...........Len J
May 30, 2002 8:39 AM
Tyler can't make up 1:28 in the TT? He beat Savoldelli by 1:32 in the last TT & it was a shorter distance.

Please Explain. I think it is still up in the air with Tyler having a great chance.

Len
Perhaps....wonderdog
May 30, 2002 8:44 AM

Savoldelli will sprout wings. The maglia rosa can inspire riders to do great things....things they might not otherwise be capable of.

Because of the Leader's Jersey....................chopper
May 30, 2002 8:48 AM
Look what it did to Francois Simon last year and even Heppner yesterday. Imagine if you had it on, how it would inspire you. In some sense the leaders jersey is akin to home court advantage.
True but.........Len J
May 30, 2002 8:51 AM
they don't call the TT the "ride of truth" for nothing. Unlike a regular stage wher team asistance can help, he will be not only all alone, but riding last, with the Pride of Italy on the line.

All that being said, if he comes thru & wins I will applaud, he will have delivered. Same goes for Tyler. Shaould be a great TT.

Len
True but.........wonderdog
May 30, 2002 8:59 AM

"he will be not only all alone, but riding last, with the Pride of Italy on the line. "

That's why he will ride a great TT.

Don't forget . . .soup
May 30, 2002 11:04 AM
that Hamilton too is riding for a Giro win. If doesn't inspire, nothing will. I wonder how much today's effort will take out of Salvodelli.

soup
I wonder how much it will have taken out of Hamilton...Wayne
May 30, 2002 11:14 AM
he was definitely suffering much worse than Salvodelli. He was killing himself over the last km to limit his time loss. He was even doing the ol' get out of the saddle for a few strokes, collapse back into the seat, take a few strokes and repeat. Sure sign of a guy totally on the limit! Plus Salvodelli must surely take confidence from his performance today, whereas Hamilton's confidence may be shaken even going into a discipline that he should have the advantage of Salvodelli and Caucchioli.
Tyler is obsessedcyclopathic
May 30, 2002 11:40 AM
with winning Giro, so for him today is a victory. He only lost 1:50 (and only 1:28 down) not like Evans. Tyler is much stronger in TT and everyone knows it. Tyler is banking on TT, and he will put out all he has, esp because he has a real chance to win. Savoldelli on other hand knows he will loose TT, and to win he needs to loose no more then 1:27.
Urine Test!Fausto
May 30, 2002 8:47 AM
Lets hope "controls" does a good job testing Savoldelli's urine. Since when did he become a climber? He has always been reasonably "shelled" on climbs when he was with Saecco.

Didn't see the video yet, but he certainly could have been "boosting" today.

Go Tyler!
I think it's bit deceptive...Wayne
May 30, 2002 8:52 AM
because the three best climbers (other than Perez) are out of the race. And probably the two top climbers left both bonked on the last climb and were therefore eliminated. And he may have just had an exceptional day (or it takes him 7 hours to get warmed up).
I'm no math wiz but, so just how fast was............chopper
May 30, 2002 9:11 AM
Evans going in that last KM for it to take him around 9 minutes, must have been around 3-4 MPH. Looking at him reminded me of that Swedish lady in the Marathon a few Olympics ago. I'm at work and I can't stop thinking about today's stage!!
I'm no math wiz but, so just how fast was............mr_spin
May 30, 2002 9:17 AM
1K in 9 minutes = 6.66K in 60 minutes.

6 KPH = 4.1 MPH

It's probably faster to walk.
Only goes to show you.........Len J
May 30, 2002 9:17 AM
how small the margin of error is in one of these 3 week tours. I suspect that his finish was the reult of a combination of bonking & the cumulative effect of 2 1/2 wks of hard racing. It's sad to see, but he is only 24 & it will be a great learning experience for him. I hope he can save some face in the TT & make up some places.

BTW, I wonder how hard it is to face the team after a finish like Evans had. Anyone have a guess on the teams reaction?

Len
Only goes to show you.........Beaver
May 30, 2002 9:39 AM
Considering his main role at Mapei has been a domestique, I bet they are very happy with his overall performance. Who would have predicted him in the magila rosa anyway? The kid just blew up.
Only goes to show you.........Beaver
May 30, 2002 9:45 AM
Considering his main role at Mapei has been a domestique, I bet they are very happy with his overall performance. Who would have predicted him in the magila rosa anyway? The kid just blew up. Happens to the best of them...Armstrong, Ulrich.
he must have bonkedDASS
May 30, 2002 10:26 AM
He must have bonked. It will be interesting to read his diary to see why he blew up. Remember over a week ago when he got off his bike with a cramp on a big climb? Maybe he cramped up. But, if after 7+ hours it's probably a combination of bonking, cramping, and just plain fatigue.

Tomkov looked like he was on drugs. It's probably worth checking, given the way this Giro is going!
lack of experience.Sintesi
May 30, 2002 9:46 AM
Cadel has never been pushed this far in his life. I'm sure he didn't eat or hydrate enough and tried to answer an attack that ahould have been let go. Now he knows how cruel this sport can be. But all in all these are correctable mistakes. The kid rose to the occasion and did more for his team than I think they had a right to expect. Cadel has a great future and Mapei would be foolish to lose him. They'll buck him up.
I finally saw a pro climb like I do on a good day. nmagilis ti
May 30, 2002 9:54 AM
re: Mapeicyclopathic
May 30, 2002 10:38 AM
Andrea NOE' and CIONI picked him and pushed to finish. Half way up the climb he was doing fine, and when he blew he was only 4min down 5km to finish. Man what a stage
cadel's got nothing to be ashamed of.rufus
May 30, 2002 3:20 PM
his first major tour, probably the only race he's ever done that lasted more than a week, and he's right there til just about the end. who knows how long he's been riding on sheer guts? although it was something to see him weaving all over the road, barely keeping the bike upright. looked like me.

although i wasn't so sure of his condition that whole last climb. phil and paul said he looked good, but he looked a bit rough to me. the look on his face said he was going on pure determination, and he didn't look too comfortable. he probably didn't eat and drink enough, but i think a lot of it was his body just giving up after being pushed beyond its limits for 2+ weeks.
cadel's got nothing to be ashamed of.Sintesi
May 31, 2002 5:22 AM
They have a quote from the Mapei team doctor in cyclingnews today saying this. Cadel had not trained for a three week race, he was only there to help out Garzelli and so was inadequately prepared. Cadel had to basically take the entire team on his shoulders at a moments notice. I think he earned big respect yesterday.