|Miguel Indurain - did he just win TdF time trial stages?||PdxMark|
May 29, 2002 9:38 AM
|I see that MI won 12 TdF stages, and I think I'd heard that most, or all, were time trials. Is that true? Does Tyler have a time trial road map to grand tour victories?|
May 29, 2002 10:07 AM
|Interesting article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/in_depth/2001/tour_de_france/newsid_1465000/1465309.stm#tour
Haven't found the precise answer, though
May 29, 2002 10:35 AM
|Very interesting, it kind of reminds me of the "computer generated" boxing match between Marciano and Ali done 20 or more years ago. In over-simplified terms, I believe that Indurain would have a slight edge in physical ability, but Armstrong would have that "I've been through a hell you can't imagine" mentality. Like so many things in life, the right mental state is everything.|
|good article: missed Lemond on the hat-trick list. nm||Djudd|
May 29, 2002 3:35 PM
|Armstrong vs. Indurain...||Cima Coppi|
May 29, 2002 10:52 AM
|Given what we have witnessed in the last decade of racing in the TdF, I believe if Indurain would have competed head to head with Armstrong (the post-cancer Armstrong), Lance would have him for lunch. If I am not mistaken, LA won the last TT in the 2000 TdF posting the fastest ever recorded average speed in a TdF TT (faster than Indurain ever rode). Lance also rides much faster in the mountains, and has accelerations Mig could never have matched. Lance was never a contender when Indurain was cleaning everyones clock, but now, in the form that Lance brings to the Tour each year, Big Mig would never have had a chance.|
|Age old argument.||Len J|
May 29, 2002 10:57 AM
|I agree if you took Indurain, with Indurains, training & Indurain's ewuipement & matched him up with Lance & Lance's training & Lance's equipment that Lance would eat his lunch, however I suspect that if Indurain, in his prime, were training today with today's methods & equipement, that it would be a close race. One that i would pay to see.
May 29, 2002 5:44 PM
|Trek when they designed TT frame for LA clamed it would save 40-60sec on TT. So are the wheels, helmet etc.
Interesting LA had not beaten LeMond's 10km yet.
May 29, 2002 10:30 AM
|When Indurain was a domestique for Pedro Delgado, he won one or two road stages. When he was the team leader, I believe he only won time trials. I know he never won a road stage while wearing yellow.
Indurain was a very powerful climber who got a lot of top 5 finishes. It seemed as if he could drop guys with ease when he had to, but he never really went nuts in the mountains and tried to destroy his rivals like Lance does so well. He stayed close, conserved his energy, then killed everyone in the time trials. That's what he was best at, so he was a smart man.
|Big Mig won only TT's during his 5 year spree...||Cima Coppi|
May 29, 2002 10:32 AM
|I looked through all of my back issues of Winning Mag, and found that, indeed, Mig never won any stages other than TT's in the five TdF's he won. He finished second on numerous occasions in the mountain stages during than span.
|he wasn't a sprinter||cyclopathic|
May 29, 2002 5:47 PM
|how many times someone would sit on his rear wheel and then shoot to stage victory.|
May 30, 2002 2:10 AM
|I believe Indurain didn't contest many of those second place finishes. He often let the person he was working with win.|
|re: Miguel Indurain - did he just win TdF time trial stages?||chare|
May 29, 2002 10:33 AM
|He only won time trial stages in the tour when he was winning the tour, but he did win one stage in the mountains when he dropped Lemond back in '90 i believe.
May 29, 2002 10:39 AM
|Mig won Stage 16 in the 1990 TdF from Blagnac to Luz Ardiden ahead of Lemond by 6 seconds. Big Mig finished 10th overall that year.
|Miguel would have contended in '90...||Alex-in-Evanston|
May 29, 2002 11:22 AM
|He was held back by his responsibilities to Delgado, and had a lengthy wait at Alpe de Huez for Pedro to catch up. Phil Ligget is one person who thinks Indurain would have won if given the green light by Banesto in '90.
|Sports Legends Park - a new Michael Chricton story||t-bill|
May 29, 2002 11:19 AM
|Maybe we could find some evil genious scientist to create a sports legends version of Jurassic Park. We could collect dna samles and clone atheletes from different eras in order to make them compete for our viewing pleasure. Only then will we know whether LA could whip Mig, whether Randy or Pedro could strike out the Babe, and whether MJ's Bulls or Shaq's Lakers could be beat Russell's Celtics.
Who's willing to invest?
|Love it!||Me Dot Org|
May 29, 2002 3:31 PM
|Great idea - we could also have Dempsey vs. Ali, Koufax pitching to Ty Cobb...
...of course the park would have to be shut down after Mike Tyson breaks free of his handlers and starts swatting down F-16s while climbing the Sears Tower...
|Old School vs New School||lnin0|
May 29, 2002 2:38 PM
|I guess people will always argue old school vs new school but INDURAIN was a GOD. How can some of you sit here and act like LA would 'eat him for lunch'? It just goes to show how little you know or have witnessed of the sport of cycling to make such outragous comments. Like saying Kobe would eat Jordan for lunch.
It would be impossible to pick a winner if you took a Big Mig from his prime and put him up against a LA in his prime.
Also remember in his prime Big Mig was not only winning the TdF but also the Giro.
|In my mind they are pretty much the same generation||chopper|
May 29, 2002 2:50 PM
|From reading some of these threads you would think Indurain raced well before Lance. Only 4 years separated their TDF wins. I do love these debates though.|
|If you really want to compare the greatest...||RideOn|
May 29, 2002 3:08 PM
|Eddie Mercx would have had both of them for lunch. Look up his wins in 1974 for example.|
|re: In my mind they are pretty much the same generation||Djudd|
May 29, 2002 3:30 PM
|Four or five years is a cycling generation. Look at the gaps between Anquetil and Merckx;Merckx and Hinault; Hinault and Indurain.|| |