|aieeeeee!!!!!!! I saw a TCR carbon at the LBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!||weiwentg|
May 28, 2002 7:24 PM
|ONCE replica, same configuration as ONCE rides in the TDF. ie, full Record and Nukes. damn, the Nukes look sweet ... but the frame looks even sweeter.
the mechanic I talked to said the frame is under 1000 grams - less than 2.2 lbs. admittedly that's probably not much savings over the regular, anodized ONCE replica. but it's carbon. and the MSRP on the bike I saw was $4110. which is not much more than a 'regular' ONCE TCR.
it's going to be available for retail early next year. hold your breath ...
shameless plug for my bike store: the frame is available for retail; it's a size M. not sure if they'll ship it to you, but I've had good dealings with them.
|given the choice..... and I did ...||JohnG|
May 28, 2002 8:48 PM
|I ordered another Al ONCE frameset. NO WAY will I buy into what looks like a potentially fragile carbon frame. Perhaps time will prove me wrong but this frame just looks too light for my tastes.
|given the choice..... and I did ...||Rudy D Project|
May 29, 2002 2:15 AM
|wouldn't the same hold true with the aluminum? I mean aluminum isn't the strongest metal out there, and at 2.2 pounds something has to give. I think I would take the carbon over the aluminum.|
|One of the great mysteries of bicycle manufacturing||McAndrus|
May 29, 2002 4:03 AM
|to me is the real origin of the frame. I have a 1999 Giant CFR Team, which is a carbon bike. To my knowledge they never sold them in the US. I picked it up on eBay.
It's Giant, it's carbon, it's very light (never weighed it), and it's holding up very well under my 6K miles/year for two years, now. If Giant is using the same frame builder, then I'd feel very confident on the new carbon frame.
|given the choice..... and I did ...||Dave Hickey|
May 29, 2002 4:25 AM
|John, what about the Calfee Dragonfly? Isn't it about the same weight? I know Calfee took a lot of time before finally releasing the frame. I'd like to see the Giant, but if I had to buy a carbon frame at that weight, I'd go with Calfee.|
|given the choice..... and I did ...||JohnG|
May 29, 2002 5:40 AM
|I'm starting to get a little more jaded about these ultra light frames. With the recent "failure" of my LOOK carbon frame it really points up the limitation of this material. Carbon is great 'up to a point', but it's NOT very robust when it comes to overstress issues. I'm not a materials expert but I'd venture to say that Al could take a bigger "hit" (than carbon) and still not fail. Giant is a good company BUT they are known for "pushing the envelope" with their framesets. It took them a couple of years to iron out the bugs in their mtb frames (I know as I had a failure in one) so I won't buy into a first gen version of anything at this point. As far as the DF goes, It's the same story..... first gen...... NO way for me. The one small advantage of the DF is that it has excellent local support so if one did fail you could get it fixed pretty quickly. |
Besides, isn't the Al TCR frame just a about the same weight as the carbon TCR? Given that reality and my expectation that the Al frame is stronger than the carbon ..... you know which way I'm going. Oh, I'm NOT concerned over the "harsher" ride of the Al frameset. My TCR is actually fairly comfy (not Ti comfy..... but good enough) so that isn't really a issue.
Final note: IF the carbon TCR has good owner feedback after one years time I'd definitely consider it. Regardless of that possibility, I think I'd always think of this as a throw-away frame though.
|given the choice..... and I did ...||weiwentg|
May 29, 2002 4:31 AM
|well, we'll see if ONCE shatters their carbon frames to little pieces in the coming Tour.
this discussion is probably all academic. I am riding my frame until it breaks, which at my weight could be a long time. at least, that's what I keep telling myself.
|given the choice..... and I did ...||mixinbeatz|
May 29, 2002 7:34 AM
|Dude, you better realize that your AL ONCE is still a potentially fragile frame in itself. Your Al bike is only going to be slightly heavier, but I must tell you that the tubes are very thin. When you ride a bike as light as these giants, you have to realize that they may break if you stress them hard. I am on my second one this season. Would a heavier frame survived the crash? probably. Is this reason to shy away from light frames? Absolutely not, I love my giant but realize that it ain't as strong as my 8 year old Bianchi but the ride is worth it.|| |