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More Giro News at!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!chopper
May 28, 2002 9:59 AM
I can't believe this! Its becoming comical.........Hamilton has to at least make the podium now.
it's patheticcyclopathic
May 28, 2002 10:07 AM
who's gonna win it? the last man standing?
Unbelievable. It's turning into a big joke (nm)Dave Hickey
May 28, 2002 10:09 AM
what do you mean? it is a jokecyclopathic
May 28, 2002 10:33 AM
it's just getting big
Ahhhh, Italy....Wannabe
May 28, 2002 10:19 AM
Druggies and thugs! Gotta love a country where they organize general strikes and if you are not happy with the current political situation you can assisinate high-level officials...

This is kinda sad. Whoever wins will now have an asterisk by their name??? Shame...

Ahhhh, Italy....bartali
May 29, 2002 5:07 AM
Show me a country where high-level officials, PMs or Presidents aren't assasinated? Maybe you're too young to remember Reagan's assasination attempt 20 years ago?

The same goes for druggies and thugs. NFL anyone?

General strikes? Thank God there are still countries in the western world that respect workers and their rights.

You're pathetic attempt at a cheap shot at Italy is disgraceful.
The cheaters are getting kicked outPaulCL
May 28, 2002 10:37 AM
I don't think it's a joke. I think it's about time. Simoni and Garzelli: cheated with drugs. Casagrande tried to knock over an opponent - cheating in my book and for the race officials. Good riddance to all of 'em. What the hell was Casagrande thinking??

Go Tyler. Go Cadel. Has Pantani retired yet????
Pantani who?rideslikeagirl
May 28, 2002 10:45 AM
Poor little bastard.

Unless he's planning a poker face bluff to rival Armstrong's, he may as well just quit showing up.

No one would ever miss him now.
May 28, 2002 10:50 AM
No asterisks in my book. If you can't play by the rules, don't bother coming to the race. I think the Garzelli situation is a little screwy, but nevertheless, the rules or agreements amongst the teams are quite clear. Non-negative = out of the race.

As for Casagrande, he is just carrying on the Fassa Bortolo tradition. Last year Belli pummeled a fan. This year, Casagrande pummels another rider. The Battling Bortolos is what we should call them!
I lost all respect for himrideslikeagirl
May 28, 2002 10:52 AM
on Simoni's last stage (I think).

Casagrande sat on Simoni's wheel all the way up the climb and THEN had the nerve to ask him if he could cross the line first. Sheesh!
oh, I don't know...mr_spin
May 28, 2002 11:47 AM
The supposed honorable thing to do would be to not challenge Simoni after sitting on, but they're racing, and there is nothing in the rules that say you can't sit on, then try to take the win.

I have never really liked or respectd Casagrande, in all the time he has been racing. I get this "win at any cost" vibe from him whenever I see him race, and I guess today was a good example of that. True champions like Ullrich, Armstrong, Simoni, Garzelli, etc., don't give off that same vibe. Maybe that's why Casagrande will never win a grand tour.

The other day on stage 13 there was an interesting shot that I haven't seen anyone comment on. On the last climb, near the top, someone took off from the small group. There was no reaction from anyone. The motorbike was literally right next to Casagrande, and clear as day, you could see him turn around with a disgusted look on his face, then he raised his arm in a "come on!" expression and said something. His teammate Belli took the hint and flew out of the group to chase the guy down. Casagrande lingered a bit for the camera to show an expression on his face that basically said "what a bunch of idiots I have working for me."

That's why I don't like him. You'll never see Armstrong or Ullrich do that. They don't need to, because they've earned their teammates devotion. And if someone needs a reminder, those guys will do it in private on the team bus, not on camera on live TV.
maybe the pelaton did, tooDASS
May 28, 2002 12:16 PM
It seems to me that if a rider sucks wheel all the way up a climb and then tries to nip a win at the end, it won't be forgotten by the Pelaton. In this case, maybe the race officials were watching him closely after that for another underhanded move. And, isn't it kind of suspicious that he allegedly tried to knock over a rider off camera? Is it karma? Is it justice?

I love the Giro, the Italians know how to put on a good show.

Cadel: staying out of trouble and showing up is paying off.

Tyler: From the worst of luck to good luck. Stay upright, my man!

Frigo: Revenge for getting booted last year?

I would guess that if all the riders managed to stay in the race, Simoni would have crushed everyone in the last mountains like he did last year. But, with so many favorites out, it's a new race!
May 28, 2002 1:25 PM
Wasn't Belli booted for whacking a really obnoxious hooligan? It sounded like the guy desreved an butt kicking!
Don't forget Cassagrande's drug suspensionMcAndrus
May 28, 2002 11:11 AM
Was that last year or the year before? The cycling press has been awfully quiet about this even with the swirl of words on Simoni, Garzelli, et al. Cassagrande was willing to cheat then. Is he willing to cheat now?
doesn't matter now...he's out (nm)ColnagoFE
May 28, 2002 11:13 AM
damn, this is becoming more pathetic than a soap opera (nm)Jekyll
May 28, 2002 10:49 AM
funny thing is...DougSloan
May 28, 2002 11:04 AM
You take out the fastest riders, and the racing actually gets closer. The time distributions frequently look like a bell curve (I've actually plotted these things a few times), with a few at the tails, spread more apart, and the bulk of them bunched in the middle. Remove the tails, and it actually gets more exciting to watch.

There are several guys with a few seconds for 3rd place, and they aren't far off 2nd. Anything can happen.

what other forms of analysis are you up toishmael
May 28, 2002 1:14 PM
I thought i was a bike nerd but that beats me. Dont get me wrong, I just never thought to do it myself.
For entertainment value you just can't beat the Italians! nmMB1
May 28, 2002 11:45 AM
re: More Giro News at!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!bartali
May 29, 2002 5:10 AM
Hamilton should win it. I hope he does. Funny thing is, with the way things have shaped up, if Armstrong had gone to the Giro, he could have EASILY won it.