May 23, 2002 6:57 AM
|are these good bikes?|
|yes||Rudy D Project|
May 23, 2002 7:42 AM
|How can one know?||Uncle Tim|
May 23, 2002 7:59 AM
|These bikes, sold through Supergo.com, are made somewhere in Taiwan by some company that no one seems to know. Hey, I have to admit, the Italian word "scattante" is a great name and may even look cool to some on a bike frame, but I suspect that they are trying to trick people into thinking this is a fancy Italian racing bike.
Before I were to make an investment in this particular frame, I'd do some research. I think the "CFR" refers to the carbon frame they sell. I'd take a good look at warranty issues on this before I sent them a penny.
|5 Year Warranty||Rudy D Project|
May 23, 2002 8:22 AM
|I love comments like these.............||Dave Hickey|
May 23, 2002 9:17 AM
|No offense Uncle Tim, but why is made in Taiwan a bad thing? Most of the worlds carbon goods are made in Taiwan. Martec has been making carbon components for longer the any of the fancy Italian companies. I have a Taiwan carbon frame and I also have a French carbon frame. Both are great frames and if they didn't have the "made in" label on the seat tube, I couldn't tell where they were made.|
|Made by Martec||JS|
May 23, 2002 7:58 AM
|And suffice it to say they make carbon frames, forks and bits for some of those very expensive Italian companies. If the owners of those bikes knew they would cry in their Chianti.|
|Oops. Now they know :-)||McAndrus|
May 23, 2002 8:13 AM
|As the happy owner of a Giant CFR Team - which they don't make anymore - I'm here to tell you that made in Asia does not mean POS. I've ridden Trek 5500s specifically to compare the ride and the Giant compares quite nicely, thank you. For hundreds less per frame I can buy a lot of Chianti.|
|Is your frame here?||McAndrus|
May 23, 2002 8:44 AM
|Here's a URL for Martec's products. The top image is obviously a Scattante CFR. It's the only frame I've ever seen with the webbed piece between the top, head, and down tubes.
|Made by Martec||Dave Hickey|
May 23, 2002 9:11 AM
|They also make parts for some very expensive French companies.|
May 23, 2002 10:42 AM
|Would love to get some more info on this subject. I have a lot of respect for Taiwan products overall but the details do matter. Not all are created equal.
|Such as?||Dave Hickey|
May 23, 2002 10:53 AM
|The LOOK 286, 241,231, and 221 were all made in Taiwan. I own a 286 and a 241. I've also owed a 221. Their quality is as good my 281. I believe LOOK's carbon forks with the alloy steerers are also made in Taiwan. The Martec/LOOK 286 frame is still produced and sold under various other names. The BP Stealth, KHS Carbon, Terry Dolan are all variations of the original LOOK 286 frame.|
|Made by Martec||PBWatson|
May 23, 2002 11:30 AM
|I looked at the martec site & have seen the mtb & aluminum road frames sold on ebay under the name "LEADER" for about $300 you can get the frame with carbon fork & carbon seat tube, the paint job is super cheesey but is this really the same quality & ride as an expensive "designer" frame.
Check em out at http://www.leaderbikeusa.com/ & let me know your thoughts
|Made by Martec||Carbon fiber fanatik|
May 24, 2002 2:12 AM
|I ride a Martec and I love the bike. Goofy looking decals, but they have nothing to do with the quality of the frame. I built up the bike on a "whim" and now it's my main ride. By the way? I also own a kestrel and have owned several "huge name, best stuff" bikes and this one kicks butt. Name brands are for marketing, not riding...|
|Made by Martec||Uncle Tim|
May 24, 2002 5:43 AM
|Thank you for informing us as to who is building the Italian-sounding Scattante carbon frame.
Now, perhaps it is time to rephrase my question:
Who the hell is Martac and why would I consider buying one of their frames? Someone mentioned that Look and KHS are outsourcing their work to this company, and another writer infers that some very expensive Italian bikes (which ones? Colnago?) are doing the same.
Someone also mentioned "marketing" as a key factor. Seems to me that buying a bicycle frame from a foreign manufacturer and painting it up and covering it up with names like "scattante" and "look" is going to a lot of effort to deceive the bicycle buying public.