|Road bike vs. Girlfriend||newbie66|
May 22, 2002 6:56 PM
|Settle an argument please...I've researched and ridden the 2002 Jamis Quest and want to make it my entry into road bikes. My girlfriend, however, thinks a used or lower level bike is the way to go and THEN upgrade after riding for a while. Money is not the issue, she just thinks I'll know more of what I want after riding my first bike. I don't want to be stuck on a bike that I know could be better.|
|Get a used bike||tronracer|
May 22, 2002 7:09 PM
|Make sure you know what size to look for and shop for awhile on ebay and the classifieds here. Get a used bike for the first one, then later, that bike will be your training bike or rain bike. If you really get into the sport, you'll need 2 bikes.|
|So the title is a bit misleading||elviento|
May 22, 2002 7:15 PM
|Since she didn't say she will dump you if you get the Jamis Quest, right? If money is not an issue, get whatever you want (heck, if money isn't an issue, get a C-40 or DeRosa King).|
|re: Road bike vs. Girlfriend||weiwentg|
May 22, 2002 7:17 PM
|> I don't want to be stuck on a bike that I know could be better.
A Seven Axiom will .... ahem.
I got a lower end bike when starting out. I quickly got upgrade lust. and ended up getting a TCR frame. get what you want. within reason. don't get a Seven and never ride it.
perhaps you might want to take the money you plan to invest in the bike and get a used one, or a closeout model. you could pay the bike store to fit you.
|I agree with your girlfriend, but not for the same reason...||Scot_Gore|
May 22, 2002 7:37 PM
|If your confident in your ability to fit yourself, buy used.
For the roughly 1200(+) your going to drop on the 02 Quest you could get a pretty nice used bike.
You could likely get Ultegra +, all around.
With this solution you get the best of both worlds, a high level of quality for you and 100's of dollars in savings to show your girlfriend. As a bonus you can skip the upgrade later.....you're already there.
my 2 cents
|If it's not the money, what is the issue? nm||Spoke Wrench|
May 22, 2002 8:21 PM
|Does your GF ride?||spyderman|
May 22, 2002 10:20 PM
|If not, get her involved with test rides. Let her see first hand why you might want a higher end bike.
Then, buy her a Trek "WSD" and tell her she's ridin' a "girlie bike"... Just kiddin'.
Good luck with other purchases too... Might be time for another upgrade...
|spend 1 hour on this board and you'll see evidence shes right...||SteveO|
May 23, 2002 3:12 AM
|this board is filled with very experienced cyclists who cant decide what they want; constantly upgrading, seeking the 'best' components, 'best' frames, 'lightest' package, whatever.
If you're convinced the Quest is the bike for you, then by all means go for it. If your like many, however, and you are swayed by marketing tactics, it wont be long before you'll see there's a 'better' match for you out there.
why spend more money to find that out?
On the other hand, if you ARE satisfied with the quest, odds are you would have been satisfied with a used bike or 'lower level' bike as well.
|Another newbie tells what he has learned.||MSA|
May 23, 2002 5:41 AM
|I am a newbie that had a similar situation, although mine involved a wife. My recommendations are:
1)if you've tested ridden alot of bikes and like the Jamis, buy it. I test rode four bikes before I bought my entry level Univega.
2) Buy from a reputable bike dealer and get a fit kit so you exactly the proper size you need.
3) Decide how you are going to ride. Will you be racing or just recreational riding? Racers are built for speed and often sacrifice comfort for light weight. A nice steel frame bike with relaxed geometry will serve a recreational rider better and save money.
3)Forget about saving money...if you get hooked on this sport like I did you will end up spending every extra nickel you have on it. And loving it as well. My advice is to get your girlfriend hooked on it, so she won't feel like a cycling widow.
|comment on comment number 3.||SteveO|
May 23, 2002 5:58 AM
|(the second number 3)
'if you get hooked on this sport...you will end up spending every nickel you have on it'.
I feel i'm pretty 'hooked', Net worth of my (main) bike is probably 80 bucks. The only money i put into it since 1990 is tires and an occassional chain. I consider myself fast. I probably average 6-1000 miles/year. My only regret was that impulse purchase of a trek 2100 7 years ago (which is now my 'good' bike only used for racing - i'd just assume sell it if it wasnt stimatized with being the 'old' model).
I'm not criticizing those who chose to spend their money differently than I do, I just disagree with the generalization that passion equates to spending.
Another way to look at passion ... when others are off comparing, shopping, installing, testing, reinstalling, retesting, etc, I'm busy pedaling!
May 23, 2002 7:09 AM
|I applaud your sanity. Many of my fellow riders are in violent agreement with you. (They think I am crazy)
What I am saying is that this is an expensive sport an any level, and trying to save money initially can often result in spending more in the long run. If I had spent an extra $200-300 in the beginning, I would have ended saving about twice that in the long run.
As far as passion equating to spending, I think each person has their own definition...and there own concepts. For me collecting racing bikes is fun and I love to ride them...more importantly its less money that racing CARS...which makes my wife happy.
|Smart girl||greg n|
May 23, 2002 5:52 AM
|If this is your first road bike, how do even know if you like it? As the concensus states, buy used. Something that's worth upgrading. And like your girlfriend said, after riding awhile, you get to know what you want in a bike.
In my opinion, on average, a newbie's first bike purchase is very much influenced on hype and what the "cool guys" are riding. It's best to just get out and ride. Then figure out what's best for you.
And hang on to that girl. She sounds very well-grounded.
|Buy the Best Bike In Your Price Range||B2|
May 23, 2002 5:58 AM
|Assuming you can get fitted correctly, that would be used. A good rule of thumb is probably about 50% of retail for used.
You're going to upgrade no matter what you get, it's inevitable :-). Probably doesn't make sense to get such a nice bike now, but you'll feel good about what you're riding.
Arrhhg! I don't know. What the hell, buy the bike YOU want to buy (please... above all else, make sure it fits though).
|I think the original title is exactly right.||Spoke Wrench|
May 23, 2002 6:05 AM
|It is bike vs. girlfriend.
If money isn't the issue, then I think the issue must be: "Who makes what decisions in the relationship and to what degree?" I think this is a way bigger deal than what bike to buy.
|why is this an argument?||mr_spin|
May 23, 2002 6:34 AM
|If that's the bike you really want, what does it matter what she thinks? She's not going to ride it.
Now, your girlfriend may be a very wise woman, perhaps even an expert on bikes, and she may know that you will inevitably hate it for some reason. Still, I say so what? Your money, your bike. If you end up hating it and regretting your decision later on, you guys can laugh about what a fool you were and how right she was.
|re: Road bike vs. Girlfriend||Trent in WA|
May 23, 2002 8:53 AM
|I differ from most of the folks who've posted here. If you have some riding experience, know what you're looking for in a bike, have some mechanical aptitude, and have access to a decent enough variety of used bikes that you can select a bike that you like and that fits you, buying used can be a good idea. But for a first road bike, I wouldn't buy (new or used) from an internet source--there are just too many variables that a good LBS can sort out for you. The Quest is a well-made, well-spec'd, versatile bike with pretty neutral handling that will serve you well for anything this side of fully loaded touring. If you like it, go for it. If you're worried that you're going to be "stuck on a bike that I know could be better," you might consider the Jamis Ventura, which is a little heavier than the Quest but has the same geometry for about $500 less.
Hope this helps,
May 23, 2002 10:15 AM
|Since I seem to have too much time on my hands and your post struck a nerve with me, I have done a little more research and thinking, and now have additional comments:
The Jamis Quest is a good entry level steel bike weighing right at 20 lbs. according to what I've read. The Shimano 105 gruppo is sufficient for 90% of the riders out there. The price I saw quoted was $1150. I don't know what you are paying, but paying much less even for a used bike will not get you up to date and/or reliable equipment. There are less expensive bikes out there but most of them are aluminum (eg. Giant) and I would avoid that unless you plan to race. They also have cheaper components. The only problem I see with the Jamis is the frame sizing which only comes in 2cm increments. Believe it or not, this can make a big difference. Make sure that these sizes will fit you.
What I don't understand is how girl friends can have sticker shock over an $1100 bicycle but not over a $300 pair of shoes or jewelery...
|How a friend's $1500 bike ended up costing him another $20k||AllisonHayes|
May 23, 2002 11:23 AM
|I have this friend who did not consult with his wife before spending $1500 for a new bike. Big mistake. She was seething! |
So, a few months later, she comes home with a new $20k car. Oh, and she didn't consult him either.
Are they still together? Yes and they laugh about it now. Chalk it up to lessons learned.
So, don't forget to add another $300 in the kitty for a new pair of shoes for your girlfriend.
|A better investment would be...||Trent in WA|
May 23, 2002 11:53 AM
|It's more expensive, but more fun: Drop another $1K for a Quest for your girlfriend and then pray she doesn't start dropping you on climbs.|
May 23, 2002 3:50 PM
|Although, I have no problem with a beautiful rear in front of me when going up the longer climbs :) :) :)
May 23, 2002 11:58 AM
|For Christmas I got a bike, and my wife got jewelry. Without going into the gruesome details, let's just say she came out way ahead on that deal. :-)|
|Get what you want and a new girlfriend||insmanblue|
May 23, 2002 2:53 PM