|Now Simoni is non-negative for Cocaine....||longfellow68|
May 22, 2002 2:27 AM
|Simoni tests non-negative (positive) for cocaine.
Jesus H... All these guys are lit up....
Cancel the whole freakin race or something.
One thing though, Tyler might have a chace to win this now.
Casagrande is the last Italian hope.
It almost looks like all this stuff is a setup, and they are picking who wins this race. Notice how someone who never has won the Giro now will probably take it, if Simoni is gone.
|maybe he wanted the climbers jersey?....||Spirito|
May 22, 2002 3:56 AM
|my response - stiff shit if he did.
i dont see it enhancing performance in any way and in fact think it more detrimental to a finely tuned endurance athlete.
whats next on the banned list - rogaine?
|YEAH! Let him take all he wants!||Sintesi|
May 22, 2002 5:02 AM
|A man has a right to be bald!|
|YEAH! Let him take all he wants!||Sintesi|
May 22, 2002 5:07 AM
|I mean a man has a right to be not bald!|
|The Giro has some explaining to do||McAndrus|
May 22, 2002 4:10 AM
|In 1999, Pantani is caught with a high hematocrit while number one and Gotti wins by default. In 2001, Frigo is caught with a suitcase full of juice while a serious contender and is tossed then Simoni wins by default. In 2002, Garzelli is tossed and now Simoni will probably go.
If this had happened with Lance or Jan in 2000, 2001 there would have been a firestorm of media condemnation of the TdF. Personally, I think it's time for the Giro organizers to do some explaining.
|perhaps the italians organisers are doing their job....||Spirito|
May 22, 2002 4:47 AM
|and actually catching people.
or perhaps its a case of teams being so desperate to impress and win the giro because it means the french may have to verify and notice their claim to those elusive tour berths > bigger stage > more exposure > more recognition > more sponsorship dollars > as well as a chance to compete against the biggest teams.
think of it that way and it starts to make sense why so many are taking risks. whilst a few like simoni are partying? (beats me as well)
|How much you want to bet Lance will never ride the Giro?||Sintesi|
May 22, 2002 5:10 AM
|He thought the French were zealous?|
|How much you want to bet Lance will never win the Giro?||cyclopathic|
May 22, 2002 2:45 PM
|even if he tries?|
|The Giro has some explaining to do||CFBlue|
May 22, 2002 6:14 AM
|I've only just become a cyclist, and a racing fan in the past three years. I am about to quit watching the racing, particularly the Giro because of this nonsense.
I don't know where, nor do I really care, where the roots of the problem lie, big money betting on the outcome, or big money involved in advertising on team jerseys, but it seems plain that somewhere there is enough money floating around that this 'sport' has become corrupt in a major way.
back to professional wrestling for some real action :-)
|Wait a minute...||mr_spin|
May 22, 2002 6:43 AM
|Gotti may have slipped into pink, but Simoni didn't win by default in 2001. He was leading the race when Frigo was thrown out, and had put in a commanding performance throughout the race. It's not his fault Frigo screwed up and was tossed out. Simoni won the race outright. No asterisks.|
|Anyone find it strange about the dentist story???||longfellow68|
May 22, 2002 4:46 AM
|I mean, your a professional cyclist, and drug use is a huge concern, and you just let a dentist stick a needle in you with god knows what chemicals?
I don't buy that story either.
I think Saeco is probably a cover for a cocaine ring.
Commesso was sniffing more than Scarface a couple of years ago..
|My dentist shoots me up with cocaine all the time (nm)||TJeanloz|
May 22, 2002 4:58 AM
|Anyone find it strange about the dentist story???||DaveL|
May 22, 2002 5:04 AM
|I represented a fellow a while back in a matter where drug testing was done. When the question of his flunking the drug test for cocaine came up he tried the "dentist" angle. It didn't work either.
No reflection on my client, but if Simoni is dumb enough to use that sh%t he's dumb enough to float the "dentist" story. That stuff only stays in the bloodstream about 48 hrs. max. These guys screw up - on stage - and figure that conversation will take them off the hook.
That's why they call it dope.
May 22, 2002 5:16 AM
|Further research shows that Simoni WILL get away with this one because the cocaine use doesn't affect his performance in the Giro. The test was back in April.|
|I was positive for morphine||gregario|
May 22, 2002 5:58 AM
|We have random drug testing here at work (at least we did a couple years ago) and I came up positive for morphine. It was from eating poppy seed muffins. So....it makes me wonder how accurate (and sensitive) these tests are. I asked how a test could cause me to be positive from eating muffins and I was told by the technician that there are better tests that could differentiate between poppy seeds and a real drug user but they were more expensive.|
|I like T. Hamilton's chances now. Please stay upright (nm)||grandemamou|
May 22, 2002 4:46 AM
|The best thing about this will be the look. . .||Sintesi|
May 22, 2002 5:12 AM
|on the Simoni hooligans faces this morning. ; )|
|I was thinking the same thing... nm||Wannabe|
May 22, 2002 6:24 AM
|cancel the race? no way, go Cadel !!!!!! nm||climbo|
May 22, 2002 5:37 AM
|Too bad. I doubt Tyler will win, though.||Gator|
May 22, 2002 6:51 AM
|That boy is having a serious problem keeping the rubber side down, as they say in the NASCAR world. In my circle, we've dubbed him "Slippy." (I'm also fond of Gauzeboy and Sir Wrecks-a-lot.)
Anyway, I think he's way too beat up at this point to win. I think the pressure of leading a team got to him. I think he'll definitely be a threat down the road, as will the thus far amazing Cadel Evans.
|The dentist claim works because....||SnowBlind|
May 22, 2002 7:03 AM
|Dentists use cocaine based painkillers in their practice. The common ones are Carbocaine and Xelocaine (sp?) and of course Novacaine, but they don't use that anymore.
However, he should be able to produce the proof from the dentist.
|of course you would cover for your mate simoni.....||Spirito|
May 22, 2002 9:20 AM
|...we only have to read your sign in name to see that perhaps you may be birds of a feather...indeed flyin' high......coincidence?
|The dentist claim works because....||Beaver|
May 22, 2002 10:24 AM
|Taken from http://www.firstlab.com/resources1.asp
My dentist used novocaine during a recent visit. Could this explain the cocaine in my urine?
Cocaine is infrequently used in certain dental, eye, ear and throat procedures and can be easily verified by the MRO. The topical analgesics ending in "caine" such as tetracaine, benzocaine, lidocaine and novocaine are not structurally related to cocaine and do not explain the cocaine or the metabolite, benzoylecgonine, in the urine.
|You are correct, sir!! nm||DaveL|
May 22, 2002 10:27 AM
|Being neither the scientist or druggie...||Wannabe|
May 22, 2002 11:28 AM
|let me make sure I understand this: Simoni's "non-negative" cannot result from the trip to the dentist? Is that what the "answer" means? Surely it cannot be so "cut-and-dried."
May 22, 2002 12:37 PM
|I am in dent school and I used to do drug testing as a med. tech.
First of all, no dentists that I am aware of in the US use cocaine or anything similar as a topical or other anaesthetic, regardless of that Steve Martin movie. Secondly, cocaine is metabolized into benzylecognine, unlike any of the agents listed above, so the use of a dental anaesthetic could NOT be mistaken for cocaine metabolite, so the short answer would be the whole dentist story doesn't jive (unless those wacky Euro-dentists use cocaine-based locals for some strange reason)
Actually this may help Simoni out if somneone really did spike his urine samples...if you put straight cocaine into the sample you will see unmetabolized cocaine in the urine instead of the benzylecognine. The only times I've seen that is in huge OD cases or when someone was shooting the coke (often croaking before it could get metabolized.)
If he has the metab in the urine sample and he is using a lame dentist story I'm betting that he is in the wrong here.
|I thought I remember...||Wayne|
May 22, 2002 1:02 PM
|getting novacaine injections as a kid when my teeth were worked on. Am i wrong? or is novacaine not derived from the same plant as cocaine? (I know it would probably be made synthetically nowadays but did it originally come from cocaine plant?) From what I've read it sounds like he had some anesthetic in his system from the Dentist injection and something that would show up as cocaine (benzylecognine?) and the powers that be have accepted that the latter could have come from the former? But I'm not sure how well this is all getting translated from Italian to reach us in English.|
|I thought I remember...||amflyer|
May 22, 2002 1:24 PM
|Yeah, that's what you get, (it's actually xylocaine with epinephrine) but using a GC/MS system, it shouldn't be too hard to tell the difference between the two.
But,if you were a dentist, and knew your patient was a pro rider, wouldn't you at least mention that you were going to use a cocaine-based anaesthetic? But like I said before, nobody here uses cocaine-derived local that I've ever heard of. Don't know why Europe would be any different.
By the way, I'm not sure exactly where the xylocaine or novocaine comes from, but I'm pretty sure it isn't from coca leaves. Let you know for sure after next semester!
|It was an out of competition...||Wayne|
May 22, 2002 1:34 PM
|random drug test that caught him. I think that may in part explain why he wasn't too hesitant to get an injection at the dentist. To paraphrase Simoni this may have been an instance of drug use but it's hardly a case of doping. Seems like for once the men in charge have used a little common sense and have left him in the race.|| |