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My solution to the 10speed permalink sucks. PLEASE HELP!!(14 posts)

My solution to the 10speed permalink sucks. PLEASE HELP!!ishmael
May 20, 2002 4:02 PM
My chain broke and to avoid the permalink problem I decided to just go without it. I had the chain closed using a regular chain tool without the link and now it keeps hopping out of gear. The mechanic said the casette isn't worn down either, he checked with a tool. What should I do now? My plan is to break the chain anywhere and install a permalink as I'm supposed to. If I had one of the other recommend links on hand I'd use it but I don't and I'm not waiting the couple of days it'll take to get here. Have I permenantly damaged the chain now? Is it going to be possible to later install another kind of link in place of the permalink? Have you had any experience with this?
re: My solution to the 10speed permalink sucks. PLEASE HELP!!czardonic
May 20, 2002 5:07 PM
Permalink or no, it seems like the chain should work as long as the all of the links are functioning properly. It sounds like you need to find the link that is causing the skip and either repair or replace it.
re: My solution to the 10speed permalink sucks. PLEASE HELP!!weiwentg
May 20, 2002 5:41 PM
agree with czardonic - probably some other link. the link where you joined the chain could be stiff. just flex it laterally until it moves normally.
ditto on both accounts......... nmJohnG
May 20, 2002 6:32 PM
I think its something elseishmael
May 20, 2002 7:39 PM
All the links seem uniform in every way. It skips gears more often than once per revolution of the chain which makes me think the chain and casette arent going well together but the mechanic said that the casette isnt worn enough for that to be an issue. He seems to think as soon as i put a permalink on it will work properly. Any other ideas?
I've got a suggestionJohnG
May 20, 2002 9:13 PM
Damn, that is the most pathetic thing I've heard in a long time.

First thing: Get ANOTHER "mechanic"!!!

Next thing: Adjust your der so the chain sits on the "center" of each cog. You should have a barrel adjuster of something on the der for this. Flip the bike over so that you can spin the drivetrain through the gears. This should be a 1-2 minute drill.

let us know if that fixes the problem.
good luck
I've done that. That would be pathetic. nmishmael
May 21, 2002 4:01 AM
re: My solution to the 10speed permalink sucks. PLEASE HELP!!mackgoo
May 20, 2002 9:22 PM
Man, you'd think with all the posts about the 10sp chain people would have gotten it by now. Get a Fosters link at better yet get a couple. Install it and be done with it.
too late for that now, I'd planned on that but impatience nmishmael
May 21, 2002 4:07 AM
do it right, play it safe...C-40
May 21, 2002 6:43 AM
With all of the new 10 speed chains and quick connector links now available, the permalink should no longer be a problem.

First of all, DON'T reassemble any 10-speed chain without a special connector link. The side plates on 10 speed chains are very thin and the ends of the pins are heavily peened, which causes more damage to the sideplates when the pins are pushed out. Reassembling a 10-speed chain like an old 9 speed chain is DANGEROUS. A $5 connector link is a small price to pay for safety. If a 10-speed chain breaks or suffers damage to any link other than the connector link, throw it away. Your safety is also worth more than $30.

I recommend using a Wipperman "connex" connector link to replace the permalink. It's a perfect dimensional match to the Campy chain. Several other brands of connector links are manufactured, but I have no experience with them.

Wipperman makes two models of 10 speed chains which shift well, but may be a bit noisier than a Campy chain. Both have the connex link that requires no tools to assemble, BUT you only get one chance to set the chain length. The pins are very heavily peened. If you remove too many links, you can't reinstall a link because the hole in the sideplate is damaged as the pin is pushed out. If in doubt, take out two links at a time (1inch) until you get to the correct length.

IRD also makes a 10-speed chain that has a quick connector link that does not require a special tool.

To adjust the chain to the correct length, shift to the little ring and smallest cog. Wrap the chain around the little ring, the smallest cog and through the derailleur, with the ends coming together below the right chainstay. Remove two links (one inch) at a time until the lower derailleur pulley moves a small amount when the ends of the chain are brought together (indicating that tension is being applied). Install the connector link and rotate the crank. The chain may rub against itself as it passes under the upper derailleur pulley. If it does, two more links (another inch) of chain should be removed to increase the tension and create some clearance between the upper and lower section of the chain. When this is done, the chain has been set to its maximum useable length.
do it right, play it safe...ishmael
May 21, 2002 7:20 AM
Are other connector links adequate for the ten speed. Ive had my chain broken and reconnected at a place other than the link before and it was fine, are you sure it's a bad idea.
rwhy not just use a permalink?ColnagoFE
May 21, 2002 7:09 AM
i know many who say they go without it, but why would campy use it if it wasn't needed (conspiracy theories aside now)? I know there is also a new 10 speed superlink available that might be a good solution if you want to be able to remove the chain a lot.
hasn't Campy abandoned the permalink?DaveG
May 21, 2002 7:32 AM
Understand your point but with Campy's introduction of the HD Link it looks like even they are admitting the permalink is less than perfect. I am using a permalink on my C10 system now but I think I'll replace it before I get too many miles based upon the potential for breakage
solution: casette and new chain bad now riding old chain no linkishmael
May 21, 2002 11:35 AM
the old mechanic was wrong. I already thought he was an ass. Im on the old chain without any links and since it needed some extra links to fit its been broken 3 times. Wish me luck. The permalink was the weakest and most expensive link, it's the weak link in the complete campy line-up, and a very important link also, it's a shame. The mechanic who put my chain together said it went together without any bending or bulgeing. I'll tell you if I break it.