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Group ride etiquette...stop for someone with a flat?(14 posts)

Group ride etiquette...stop for someone with a flat?Cygnus
May 18, 2002 9:31 PM
Went on a 60-mile benefit ride for a benefit today. no trouble staying with a fast group until, at about mile 15, i hit a pothole and got a pinch flat. nobody waited for me. once i got my tube patched, i hammered hard, but couldn't catch the group. this was not a race, but people were riding hard. is it typical to leave riders with flats or temporary mechanical problems in the dust when they ordinarily wouldn't be dropped?
I would stop, but it depends.Leisure
May 19, 2002 2:22 AM
I would think a benefit type of ride should be a time to hang together and enjoy the ride, but perhaps everyone else wanted to make it a training ride. I wouldn't take it personally, but if it were my friend getting the flat, I'd hang back for him.
May 19, 2002 3:22 AM
Just a benefit ride..arslan - just got a TCR 2 -
May 19, 2002 5:47 AM
It's just a benefit ride, not a race, nor training
Where people ride for the fun of it,
I'd stop everytime and help out, plain and simple.
re: Group ride etiquette...stop for someone with a flat?f86sabjf
May 19, 2002 3:25 AM
I would stop and try to help the other rider get back on the pack if possible.
always...Carbon fiber fanatik
May 19, 2002 4:04 AM
It's the right thing to do. Cyclists tend to be some of the cooler people on this planet anyway. I had bad Karma once last year, three flats in less than five miles, then a ride in a van with a soccor mom back to town. Now, I avoid Michelin tires like the plague and would never pass a stranded cyclist. Leaving someone behind in a non competitve ride is just bad ju-ju.
re: Group ride etiquette...stop for someone with a flat?Jay18
May 19, 2002 5:41 AM
Most charity rides have SAG support to help people who have flats, bonk, etc. At least someone should have stopped to be sure you had what you needed to change the flat, contact the SAG team, or whatever was needed. As far as getting back with the pack, that can be a problem on these kinds of rides. You were fortunate to be with a group to start with. Frequently on rides of this sort people start at different times, ride at different paces, and so on, esp. if you are riding with strangers.

No way they should have waitedAvanti Guy
May 19, 2002 5:59 AM
No way they should have waited, the only time you wait is when you are actually riding with people you know, and that is unless it is getting towards the business end of the ride. Its a charity ride and I am sure once you fixed your flat there would have been other bunches to jump on the back of if you were so inclined.
Depends on the groupKerry
May 19, 2002 6:12 AM
If you're riding with a half dozen (or even a dozen) friends, etiquette around here says stop, no question. However, if folks don't really know each other that well, and if it's a big group, it doesn't make that much sense to hold up a bunch of strangers for every flat tire. As an example, if I were on a group ride with a few of my friends mixed into a larger pace line of relative strangers, I would expect the friends to stop if one of us flatted. Then we could proceed as our own group. Even so, if a couple of people said "I want to go for the workout, see you at the next rest stop" it would not be that big a deal. It's not like you were jilted at the alter.

A point of sympathy for the larger group: if you're going hard and looking for a good workout or just enjoying the power of a group, you'll be bummed every time you have to stop. Add in the exponentiating probability for flats and mechanicals and you're sentiments will quickly turn to letting these people fend for themselves. Add in the dropped bottles, unziped seat packs spilling their contents, "I left my wallet at the rest stop" and so on, and you'll never want to look back.
Depends on the groupIseemo
May 20, 2002 5:14 AM
Ditto that - unless they're your ride buddies, I wouldn't expect them to stop. Plenty of other groups to ride with in a charity ride, as well as SAG vehicles. I find no offense in them riding on, they're just trying to get a good training ride in for a charitable cause.
Flat stopping?JamieB
May 19, 2002 8:35 AM
I would have at least stopped and made sure you were okay with changing your flat and didn't need any help before heading on. It's just a fun ride. No need to be in such a hurry.
re: Group ride etiquette...stop for someone with a flat?lnin0
May 19, 2002 6:13 PM
It has nothing to do with RIDE ETIQUETTE. It is a matter of PEOPLE ETIQUETTE.

Even on training rides the group will usually stop for a flat. If the rider knows where he is and the wind is not too bad he won't ask to hold up the group. Then some may go on and some may still stay behind to help out anyway.

In fact, you might want to find some cooler people to ride with if that is your normal group. To be a good rider you need to have fun and if you are with a group of guys/girls who can't do that then your riding will suffer.

I am also a very big believer in Karma so I would always stop.
It's not about etiquettemr_spin
May 20, 2002 7:01 AM
Are you riding with friends? Then stop. It's that simple. Stop because they are your friends and you enjoy riding with them. Otherwise, you might as well ride with strangers or by yourself.

If not riding with friends, you need to consider the greater context. Is the person a newbie or someone who may need help? Are you in the middle of nowhere or a bad neighborhood? Are conditions bad (strong wind, heavy rain, etc.)? Is the person who got the flat the same one who gets flats all the time because they are too cheap to buy new tires, don't look where they are riding, etc.

Finally, there's the question, would stopping mess up your goals for the ride? If this is serious training ride, the flat rules should be understood ahead of time. In this context, someone gets a flat, too bad. It happens all the time. If this were a real race, no one would stop, and that's what you are trying to simulate in training. How fast can you change a tire? You may need to do that in a race someday.

Then there's your situation. If you latch on to a group you don't know, don't expect them to stop for you. And don't bother chasing them, either. Easy come, easy go. Find another group, or start one.
I can't see expecting anyone to stop in a group...Djudd
May 20, 2002 7:56 AM
of fast riding strangers. In a group of regulars, I can't see expecting someone not too wait.