|Ever get a ticket while riding?||Lowend|
May 16, 2002 10:19 AM
|On my way to work one morning, I stopped at a red light, waited for the other car to go, then rode on, maybe two seconds before the light was going to change. Shortly after a policeman pulled me over, he threaten to give me a ticket. I could not believe it. It was in Armonk, NY. where rt 22 and 120 intersect(for those who might know the area). The road has large enough shoulder so I don't interfer with traffic flow. As many cars that speed on this road and he was worring about a biker who ran a red light. When I ride in NYC or other congested areas I always wait for the lights to change. What do you think?
|I think you ran a red light...||TJeanloz|
May 16, 2002 10:23 AM
|Apparently, you ran a red light. Even though you didn't think it was dangerous; that's what you did. Consider yourself lucky you didn't get a ticket.
A follow up question: Has anybody who lives on the Colorado Front Range NOT gotten a ticket for something?
May 16, 2002 10:26 AM
|but I did get a speeding ticket (on my bike!) for doing 32 downhill in a residential neighborhood in Dayton, OH once. It was in the rich snobby section of town, I was late getting home from a ride, and the cop apparently hadn't hassled his share of trust fund babies that week...
Wish I'd framed the damn thing.
May 16, 2002 10:31 AM
|I'm curious if that speeding ticket affected your car insurance in any way? Should've framed it...I agree.|
|didn't own a car until several years later so I dunno (nm)||lonefrontranger|
May 16, 2002 10:48 AM
|Did you have a drivers license?||tronracer|
May 16, 2002 11:23 AM
|or did they just take your word on your identity? Anyone know how tickets while on a bicycle translate into points on your dl?|
|Did you have a drivers license?||bnlkid|
May 16, 2002 11:25 AM
|When I was warned, I was told that it would be considered a moving violation and could affect insurance as well as license privileges(3 moving violations in a certain period of time and license suspended).|
May 16, 2002 1:08 PM
|I had a driver's license, but didn't have it on me. The cop was a real @ss about it, threatening to follow me back to my house if I didn't provide proper I.D. I felt like telling him the truth, which was that (although I lived in a roach infested campus slumlord special in Dayton) at the time my permanent address was at my mom's place (30 miles away). But knowing the type he'd have followed me anyhow and that would have raised all sorts of issues about riding w/o lights in the dark, so I took the ticket and paid it like the cowed little citizen that I am...|
May 16, 2002 11:41 AM
|but i know plenty that have...usually during group rides for riding 2 abreast.|
May 16, 2002 5:49 PM
|Oh, yes! I managed to get bagged for going 34 in a 25 zone. The cop was not amused, and repeatedly said that if we cyclists wanted to be treated as vehicles on the road, we needed to obey all the rules that other vehicles were required to obey. And he was right, too. Went to court, and the judge asked (innocently, too) what kind of car "Litespeed" is. The cop said it wasn't a car, it's a bicycle. The judge nearly fell off of the bench, and said something akin to "if you can go that fast on a bike, you're free to go from here, too." Great judge! I avoid that particular little municipality like the plague!|
|I have been warned.||bnlkid|
May 16, 2002 10:29 AM
|I did a slow and go at a stop sign right in front of a park ranger. He got on his speaker and told me I had run a stop sign. I fully expected to get a ticket. I violated a traffic law and should have been ticketed. If cyclists are going to ignore the traffic signs, but still want to be treated like traffic(cars), then we should all accept the consequences.|
|Oh I beg to differ...||tronracer|
May 16, 2002 10:40 AM
|Cyclists have very minimal protection on the road. Therefore are going to be more safety conscience(spelled right?) for our own sake. We should be allowed to bend the rules a bit for putting up with aggresive drivers. This might be a selfish view.|
|When you put it that way....||bnlkid|
May 16, 2002 10:44 AM
|I'm talking more about situations were cyclists are blowing through stop signs when pedestrians are crossing the street, making unsafe lane changes, etc. I see it all the time and it annoys me. I will agree that there are situations where you need to bend the rules, especially if it involves getting out of the way.|
|Then use the MUT's and don't give us a bad name.||SnowBlind|
May 16, 2002 12:34 PM
|Depends on the state||laffeaux|
May 16, 2002 11:23 AM
|I lived in Idaho for a while. The traffic handbook said that bikes were allowed leeway for stop signs, etc. As long as the biker slowed down and ensured nothing was coming they do not need to come to a complete stop. |
I'm sure other state laws are less biker-friendly.
|you are right||smilycook|
May 16, 2002 1:42 PM
|you are right, it is a law it Idaho and is very nice for road biking to roll through a stop sign.|
|got a warning for speeding once||mr_spin|
May 16, 2002 10:41 AM
|Cop said we were doing 30 mph on an uphill road with terrible pavement. We actually laughed out loud. Well, some of us. I was biting my tongue to prevent myself from blurting out something like "are you insane?"
Cop apparently realized he was an idiot (or blind), gave us a speech, let us go with a warning. It's become a running joke whenever we ride on that road. Watch your speed here...the limit is 25...
(Oh, we also ran a stop sign and did it on the wrong side of the road. But he seemed focused on the speed issue!)
|I've certainly tried||DougSloan|
May 16, 2002 10:46 AM
|I don't run stop signs or stop lights, unless it's one of those lights you simply cannot trip. I actually come to a real STOP at stop signs. I figure it's practice for those weird events that require it.
I would love to get a ticket doing something like 64 in a 55. I'd scan it and post it on the internet.
|$65.00 for going over the George Washington Bridge||dzrider|
May 16, 2002 10:59 AM
|There was a big gap on the foot path so I got out on the road and along came the Port Authority car. He guided me across the rest of the bridge and I had to pay the fine on the spot or wait overnight to be arraigned.|
|Sounds like you just bought him dinner NM||Lowend|
May 16, 2002 11:06 AM
|Hmmm...how were you at fault though?||Kristin|
May 16, 2002 11:09 AM
|Sounds like the city left a dangerous situation unattended. I don't see how that can be your fault. Then again, I might night fight such a thing here in Chicago either. The grey hair gained from such a battle would not be worth it. Lucky you had cash on you.|
|Hmmm...how were you at fault though?||Sintesi|
May 16, 2002 11:21 AM
|I think he meant he tried to ride on the roadway which is illegal on most bridges in NYC. Some walkways on the bridges here have gaps in the barriers between the path and the roadway; he ducked through the gap and got busted. At least that's how I read it.|
|The roadway was posted.||dzrider|
May 16, 2002 12:31 PM
|The hole on the walkway was blocked by saw-horses and yellow tape so I didn't have to lock up the brakes to keep from plunging into the Hudson. Had I been certain of how to find a walkway on the other side of the bridge I might have gone back, but I didn't.
It takes time and or money to fight that kind of thing and I was riding out to Ohio. Getting out of MetNY was my first priority at the moment. The rest of the trip was pretty much fun.
|Ohio as in the state? (nm)||Kristin|
May 16, 2002 12:49 PM
|Yes the state. Touring is another cycling sub-culture (nm)||dzrider|
May 16, 2002 1:12 PM
|I could just see the look on the cops face...||Kristin|
May 17, 2002 5:51 AM
|When you ask him if could hurry with that ticket because you're heading to Ohio. That would be something fun to say from the saddle!|
|re: Ever get a ticket while riding?||KEN2|
May 16, 2002 11:30 AM
|Well, if the light is one of those that is tripped by a buried electromagnetic wire (most are nowadays), you can often argue that it is malfunctioning, since typically bikes won't trip them. Most states have laws that state you can proceed with caution after stopping at an intersection where the lights are off or malfunctioning.|
|To trip a stop light sensor...||PdxMark|
May 16, 2002 11:44 AM
|I've read that a cyclist is best positioned just inside the sensor loop, rather than in the middle of the loop.... Of course, with Al, carbon & Ti frames, what bike has enough iron to trigger anything... maybe pedal cleats & spindles...|
|not all have sensors||mr_spin|
May 16, 2002 12:19 PM
|I know a few intersections where there aren't sensors or the sensors don't pick up bikes regardless of materials. I simply treat these as broken signals. Stop, wait until safe, then proceed. That's my argument if I ever get ticketed, and I have no doubt it will fly, at least with a judge. It's not my fault the signal can't detect my bike, and I ain't sticking around waiting for a car. If I were in a car and the signal never changed, I'd do the same thing.|
|Texas' Attitude, another embarrassment for Lance||MSA|
May 16, 2002 11:31 AM
|As another slap in the face to Texas riders, police are actively patrolling our weekend riding area near Houston, and handing out tickets, not only for running stop signs and red lights, which is legitimate, but also for riding more than two abreast! I am a strong believer in riders obeying the traffic laws, but this borders on harassment.|
|MSA, what ride/part of town? -NM||Tig|
May 16, 2002 1:00 PM
|MSA, what ride/part of town? -NM||MSA|
May 16, 2002 6:39 PM
|west oaks...I've been warned to stop at every stop sign and light. Motor cycle cops are giving out tickets hot & heavy.|
|running red lights? dang...that's dumb.||dustin73|
May 16, 2002 5:16 PM
|i just take a R, do a U-turn, then another R. heh...|
|you ran a red light (nm)||ColnagoFE|
May 16, 2002 11:40 AM
|Warned when I was 15. . .||MisJG|
May 16, 2002 11:55 AM
|I was riding my bike home from Driver's Ed of all places. I have a summer birthday, so I was taking the class in summer school. Was coming up to an intersection with a stop-n-go light, light began to change and instead of stopping, I went for it. Well, I wasn't much of a rider then (in jeans on my handed-down AMF ten-speed), and I horribly mis-judged the length of the yellow and ended up just going into the intersection when the light went full red (about one lane in on a four lane road). Got across before any cars even started, but got pulled over by the city Police. He gave me a warning and threatened to call my Mom (remember, I was 15!), but nothing ever came of it. Funny thing though, it's 20 years later and that cop is now the Mayor of our city!!|
|Yeah, check this out!||rwbadley|
May 16, 2002 11:55 AM
|Many years ago, a friend and I went for a 'long ride' out to his new home about 35 miles away. We were about 16 or 17 years old at the time, and figured we would need beverage for the trip.
Got a backpack and put some beer and other things in and set out.
We were way out on a country road, about half lit by this time. Yackin' it up and laughing like a coupla hyenas. We had the road totally to ourselves, or so we thought...
Suddenly a sireen from directly behind us.. What the hell? we about jumped out of our pants.
I make an attempt to dismount the bike. This plan went awry somehow, with me ending up in the ditch by the side of the road with the bike on top of me..
My friend, needless to say, has lost it and is laughing his a$$ off.
I disentangle from the bike and haul out of the ditch.
The cop sets us in the back of his cruiser and says "Now I know you boys were doin' something wrong, I just need to figure out what"
We sat there trying not to breathe too much lest he be overcome by our alcohol laden breath. He goes thru his manual. He grunts a few times. Then starts writing our tickets.
"Here ya go" he says, handing us each a ticket.
We get out of the squad car, looking at each other, then at our tickets.
I wish I could say he April Fooled us and gave us tickets for something like 'having too much fun'
We each had a summons to appear on charges of impeding traffic!
Dirty rat basset...
|My cousin Vinny? Yesiree Bob, I think we got us a capital crime||AllisonHayes|
May 17, 2002 6:34 AM
|here boys. "Uh, so, you good ol' boys are not from around here, eh? Well, you boys look like you'se up to no good and if I can't figure it out, I can at least solve those murders that were committed up at the Conroy place last month." |
"Yesiree, I gots you boys good. Think you can come into my parish and have a good time, use up all our oxygen and fresh dairy air? Well, I got somethin' else in store for ya."
"The town folks are going to be right pleased that I solved this case so fast. Yesiree Bob! Heck, I might even make Chief of Pooolice out of this, maybe even Mayor. I gots to thanks you boys for giving me this great chance to further my career. Yesiree Bob!"
"I wants you boys to know that we just don't hang folks around here. Nosiree Bob! We first gives 'em a fair trial--and then we hangs 'em. Yesiree Bob, we are law abiding citizens."
|Yup, fought it, won.||MrCelloBoy|
May 16, 2002 12:06 PM
|Got pulled over after getting into a left-turn only lane half a block before the signal. The cop thought I'd gotten out of the far right lane too soon for a bike!
I had jammed up the hill at the speed of traffic (about 25mph) and hadn't impeded anyone, the light was red anyway! The judge threw it out.
I think in your case drivers get PO'd when cyclists don't honor the same laws that we're always beating auto drivers over the head about.
We can't have it both ways. I'm not saying that I haven't jumped a light or rolled a stop, but if i get cited, I won't argue about it.
|Yep. Not coming to a comlete stop @ Stop sign.||root down|
May 16, 2002 12:34 PM
|Never paid it though. It was in Nashville, TN but in a community that have thier own very small police force. I guess I'm a fugitive on the run (uh, I mean ride).|
|I hope you're not an alien 'cause you could be deported. nm||AllisonHayes|
May 16, 2002 1:08 PM
|re: Ever get a ticket while riding?||riney|
May 16, 2002 1:15 PM
|Got a warning for 35 in a 20mph school zone. I was doing some equipment testing for a time trial with a disc on the back and got clocked by the police. He just wanted to know if I knew how fast I was going. We had a good laugh and went on our ways...|
|35 in a 25||Chaz_cycles|
May 16, 2002 3:03 PM
|I got one for going 35 in a 25 it was on the Navy base in Norfolk Va. Had to go to court on base where the Navy traffic judge dropped it because he did not think anyone could go that fast on a bike. There was a pretty nice tail wind blowing that day.|
|$135 for speeding!||grzy|
May 16, 2002 4:38 PM
|Yup, swear to gawd. Me and a buddy got popped on RADAR on a fire road for doing 25 mph - the whole damn park is 15 mph even though it's only posted at the entrance and one is lead to believe that it's just for that area. Frickin' Mid Peninsula Open Space Ranger-Wanna-Be-a-Real-Cop-and-Carry-a-Gun-DICKHEADS. He agreed were in total control, not threatening anyone, safe at all times, polite, respectful, and didn't have speedometers. These guys have a three day Viagra hard-on for bikers and the more tickets they write and the more times they call in real cops the more they get noticed for cop skool. They're also pretty agressive towards runners as well. If you ever find yourself riding a MTB in the Bay Area watch where you ride and your speed or carry a battery powered radar detector. I know they're not all bad, but I don't get to pick which ones work the day I want to ride, so it's easier to label them all flaming assholes and avoid them. They routinely have letters written to the editors of various local newspapers by all sorts of people yet they seem immune from criticism since they answer to no one. I think that secretly they work for the Haterful Old Hikers Chapter of the Sierra Club. I will go out of my way to bad mouth them, harass them, and if the opportunity arises, yes, vanadalize their stuff. Keying their trucks is actually quite enjoyable. Don't try and give them false ID - they call you in and run your info through the police computer and will not hesitate to call the REAL cops to arrest you if you give them any crap. Even the real cops I've met know that these guys are a bunch of Hitler Youth. Forget trying to fight the ticket - you'll have better luck trying to piss up a rope. |
I once saw a guy roll a stop sign during a century ride and watched a real cop write him a ticket.
|I dont get it.||Pygme|
May 16, 2002 7:09 PM
|Why, everytime, a person gets busted breaking the law he is either being "harrassed" or the cop should have something better to do.
Cops, and I know because I am one, are lazy. We dont go out looking for things to do, especially in today's we-hate-the-cops-environment. People call the police over and over again about speeders, drinkers, and yes (GASP!!!) out of control cyclists.
What should the police do? Enforce the law, of course. In the commnunity, outside of Houston, near West Oaks, the cyclists were running amok. Cars were pulling up to stop signs, preparing to excercise their right of way, and then a peleton goes blowing through ahead of them. Motorists, rightfuly so, got fed up and began calling the police. Cyclists were riding 3 and four abreast and then shooting the finger and yelling obscenities to some lady with her kids in the car when they got honked at.
Cyclists are their own worst enemy.
|I dont get it.||nat_ct1|
May 16, 2002 7:58 PM
|why do the bikers there get mad when someone blows a horn? here in sicily they use there horn to let you know they are comming up behind you so you are more aware of them and dont swerve into the road to far.|
May 17, 2002 6:18 AM
|I think drivers do it for a different reason here. They like to sneak up on you and blow the horn right behind you to startle you. If you are in a semi-trance, it gets the adrenalin racing. I've learned to tune it out, though, and never show any reaction -- won't give them the satisfaction.|
|I dont get it.||grzy|
May 17, 2002 3:04 PM
|You need to reread what I wrote and not be so defensive. I'm talking about the line between appropriate and professional law enforcement vs. agressive gestapo tactics. I ride with cops and have some relatives that serve as cops. I go apesh!t when my wife blows off all the traffic laws while riding her bike, with head phones and no helmet. We're not talking about trained professionals here, but rather a bunch of pathetic losers who are trying extend their power trip and carry a gun. Other cops I know and respect admitt that thes guys are out of control and have a bad reputation through out Silicon Valley. It's common knowledge, yet nothing can be done about it since they're not answerable to anyone except the wealthy people who don't like bikers. |
I didn't know I was breaking the *rules* not that this is any defense. In fact they don't have to have any of the normal signage that would be required on normal roads or even signs that radar is being used as required in California, but your ticket comes via the DMV and failure to pay can reslut in a warrant for your arrest. The ranger passed us while we were regrouping at the top of a hill, went down around the first corner and quickly jumped out with his radar gun. We weren't breaking the law at the time, nor did he have any reason to think we were since it was a 700' climb until that point and he was busy writing tickets to some riders who didn't wear helmets. He went out of his way to setup a speed trap b/c we looked like outlaw MTBers. This guy wasn't lazy, but he didn't seem to have anything better to do either. He wanted to see ID (like who carries it on a MTB when the car is down in the lot) and called us in through the police - had we given him any reason he would've tried to have us arrested. We asked for a warning, but he said they did that for a couple months seven years ago when they first allowed bikes in the park.
In the 33 years I've been riding bikes I have never once been stopped by a real cop.
May 17, 2002 6:07 AM
|I thought that was cycling Shangri-La -- Mecca -- Heaven...?
They give runners speeding tickets, too? What's next, tickets for elevated heart rates?
May 17, 2002 2:41 PM
|No runners get the supreme hassle if they enter the park after "Simon Says". Rancho San Antonio has a dual gate setup with a little landscape sign thingy in between the two lanes. When they want to shut the park the close the entrance to cars. It's pretty obvious IF you're in a car. However, if you're running and on the sidewalk you approach from the EXIT side and in a blissed-out runner's high you often don't notice that the other gate is closed and that they really don't want you there. I knew it was late, but didn't know how late it was (one of the things I hate about the Fall) and was just going from one parking lot to the next on a little fire road and planned to swing back out. This "willful and blatant disregard" for the LAW got me chased down by a pickup truck with emergency lights on the dirt road then the truck thrown in front of me and a Ranger screaming in my face. I honestly thought that someone was hurt some where and he was going to help -silly me. Turns out that Ranger D. Head was screaming at me over his PA system only he forgot to turn up the volume and nothing could be heard outside the truck over the engine noise. I had to prove it to him - he didn't believe me - he just "knew" I was challenging his authority. No matter, my "bad attitude and criminal ways" deserved a call to the Police (the guys with real guns) and a request to come and ARREST me. The cops swung by and opted to do exactly nothing. That was OK, b/c as soon as he was done with me he went and hassled some more people (a couple of older gentlemen) and I got to witness his whole agressive schtick all over again. A call to his supervisor got me nowhere - I really should've written the incident up and filed a complaint when I had the chance. Frequently one will see letters in the paper by other law abiding (I assume) citiziens form ritzy towns like Cupertino, Saratoga, Los Gatos and the like, who have also been hassled by these SOBs. You gotta see it to believe it. Cycling in the Santa Cruz Mtns in Santa Cruz county IS great. It's when you cross over into Santa Clara and San Mateo counties and the Mid Peninsula Open Space District that you have to watch out for the pricks in uniform. Then there's the new ranger in charge of Mt. Diablo.... |
Make no mistake about it - Silicon Valley sucks. It's way full of people who do nothing more than eat, breed, and shop. In the typical family both the mom and dad work high paying/high stress jobs to afford the mortgage on an overpriced monster house towering over 1/10 of an acre and their neighbors in a gucci zip code. One day they wake up and realize their kids are fat and have a drug problem. They have no idea why their obsessive concern about their portfolio and career doesn't equate to healthy well adjusted kids. Of course I'm stereotyping here, but it's fairly common.
|Running a Stop light in Watsonville ,CA......$300!!!!!!!(nm)||James|
May 17, 2002 12:23 AM
|60 bucks for not having my light on||tacoShoppe|
May 17, 2002 1:50 AM
|nasty trick cops use to break up the critical mass in SF.|
|I know I was wrong for running the Red||Lowend|
May 17, 2002 10:32 AM
|I just wanted to hear the other stories that might be our there.
Thanks for the interesting read.